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Old 04-05-2014, 07:40 AM  
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:57 AM   #616
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The Trent Green trade was a good trade. The Trent Green trade wasn't the reason we hired Greg Robinson, Vermiel didn't give a shit about the defense, and we drafted worse than Matt Millen.

The Cassel trade was a bad trade, period. They could have GIVEN us picks and it would have been a bad trade.
We could have had Drew Brees instead of Trent Green.

At "this point" after that trade, Drew Brees was average about 4 years per attempt and looked like garbage...
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:59 AM   #617
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We could have had Drew Brees instead of Trent Green.

At "this point" after that trade, Drew Brees was average about 4 years per attempt and looked like garbage...
So, 55-45 losses instead of 55-38 losses, or something?
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Old 04-08-2014, 09:00 AM   #618
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So, 55-45 losses instead of 55-38 losses, or something?
Drew Brees would potentially still be here. No need for Cassel OR Smith.

Could have rebuilt the defense 2 or 3 times in that span.
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Old 04-08-2014, 09:02 AM   #619
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There's also the fact that Drew Brees won a Super Bowl with a defense that was very similar to those defenses under DV...
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Old 04-08-2014, 09:07 AM   #620
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I am sorry but two seconds is something that shouldn't be insurmountable to overcome. The level of play last year exceeded that value.
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Old 04-08-2014, 09:08 AM   #621
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I am sorry but two seconds is something that shouldn't be insurmountable to overcome. The level of play last year exceeded that value.
I never said it was insurmountable.

It's also not insignificant, especially to a team that professes to be building almost solely through the draft.
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Oh man, we didnt win the Off-season Super Bowl???? ****ing losers!!!
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It's funny. When Carl sat on his hands during the early part of free agency, there was hand-wringing and bitching and people joking about vacations in Jamaica.

When Dorsey does it, he "knows what he's doing".
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I never said it was insurmountable.

It's also not insignificant, especially to a team that professes to be building almost solely through the draft.
Committing to hitting on picks is more important than stockpiling and hoping hit, and certainly more than presenting a more coherent philosophy to the media.
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Old 04-08-2014, 09:16 AM   #625
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We could have had Drew Brees instead of Trent Green.

At "this point" after that trade, Drew Brees was average about 4 years per attempt and looked like garbage...
Uh, do you mean we could have drafted Drew Brees instead of trading for Trent Green? Brees was far from a sure-fire draft pick. He went at the end of the second round (pick 65?)...

By that logic we could have drafted any number of non-first round qb successes. Why didn't we draft Tom Brady in 2000! We suck!

Also, you continue to talk about draft history. No such thing. Different people running the drafts. It's not cause and effect -- because we drafted Paul Palmer and it didn't work out does not mean we will be gun shy when it comes time to draft a WR this year.
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Committing to hitting on picks is more important than stockpiling and hoping hit, and certainly more than presenting a more coherent philosophy to the media.
Nobody hits on every pick. Nobody.

To a large extent the draft is ALL ABOUT stockpiling and hoping to hit on a few players.
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Uh, do you mean we could have drafted Drew Brees instead of trading for Trent Green? Brees was far from a sure-fire draft pick. He went at the end of the second round (pick 65?)...

By that logic we could have drafted any number of non-first round qb successes. Why didn't we draft Tom Brady in 2000! We suck!

Also, you continue to talk about draft history. No such thing. Different people running the drafts. It's not cause and effect -- because we drafted Paul Palmer and it didn't work out does not mean we will be gun shy when it comes time to draft a WR this year.
Of course, the "history doesn't exist" argument. Love it.
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It's funny. When Carl sat on his hands during the early part of free agency, there was hand-wringing and bitching and people joking about vacations in Jamaica.

When Dorsey does it, he "knows what he's doing".
People said that about Carl because we had a huge history of his behavior to judge. He did, in fact, take vacations in Jamaica during the start of free agency.

I think it is as reasonable to be optimistic about Dorsey, rather than pessimistic.
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Of course, the "history doesn't exist" argument. Love it.
Ugh. I'm not sure how else to explain it. History exists -- but the only history that matters for this draft is the Dorsey/Reid history. One season.

You cannot judge or guess what they will do based on SOMEONE ELSE's ACTIONS.

Dorsey and Reid were not here to pick up Cassel. THAT WASN'T THEM.
THEY DID NOT DRAFT BLACKLEDGE.

You are not justifiably pessimistic. You are just pessimistic.
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You cannot judge or guess what they will do based on SOMEONE ELSE's ACTIONS.
I'm not judging them nor am I trying to guess what they will do.

I'm merely saying that I don't have any hope in what they're doing. It's called human nature.

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You are not justifiably pessimistic. You are just pessimistic.
History justifies my opinion. You can deny it all you want but you'd be wrong.
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