Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

[philfree]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Then don't read it.

I would have thought you better than trying to squash other people's opinions.

I'm not trying to squash anything but I find it comical how someone can post non stop on a Chiefs forum about the short comings of the franchise and then pretend like they're not butt hurt and they don't care. We've all got reason but at least admit to yourself that it does matter to you. Being a Chiefs fans sucks! I've always enjoyed rooting for the underdog so there is that.

[FringeNC]

Before free agency, Vegas had our win total at 8 over, -125. After free agency, Vegas had our win total at 8 over, -125.

Oddsmakers don't seem to think we lost much.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Hell, I didn't know that constantly stating you have no faith whatsoever that anyone in the Chiefs organization has the skill or desire to ever win a Super Bowl was classified as discussion.

So many weak minds.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by philfree

I'm not trying to squash anything but I find it comical how someone can post non stop on a Chiefs forum about the short comings of the franchise and then pretend like they're not butt hurt and they don't care. We've all got reason but at least admit to yourself that it does matter to you. Being a Chiefs fans sucks! I've always enjoyed rooting for the underdog so there is that.

I love how you guys never bother to mention the DOZENS of positive posts I've made over the past few weeks.

Or how you conveniently forget that at one time, I was continuously derided for "being on Carl's payroll".

You know what matters to me? Chiefsplanet. The Chiefs happen to be one of the hundreds of things that get discussed here from day to day, week to week.

As always, Chiefsplanet gravitates towards extremes while the truth continues to exist somewhere in the middle.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I love how you guys never bother to mention the DOZENS of positive posts I've made over the past few weeks.

Or how you conveniently forget that at one time, I was continuously derided for "being on Carl's payroll".

You know what matters to me? Chiefsplanet. The Chiefs happen to be one of the hundreds of things that get discussed here from day to day, week to week.

As always, Chiefsplanet gravitates towards extremes while the truth continues to exist somewhere in the middle.

Dozens buried by hundreds. Whatever it takes to get yourself through the day

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by philfree

Dozens buried by hundreds.

Absolutely untrue.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by PGM

You are being foolish and overreacting...The CP hallmark.

The window for starting QBs winning championships is 31. Alex is 30.

KC lacks a competent free safety, and absolutely no depth on the defensive or offensive lines.

They need at least one game changing player on offense aside from Jamaal, and probably need two. Jamaal isn't getting any younger at a position that gets most of its production from guys in their first three years in the league. Sure, Knile looked good at times but there's no guarantee he'll be able to add 1800+ yards of total offense like Jamaal does.

Cooper is unproven at CB. Flowers and Smith are somewhere above JAG level and KC has four games against great offenses in San Diego and Denver. KC needs one more legitimate pass rusher that can at least approach the effect Houston has on defense to get pressure.

Kansas City is just not a good team, and there isn't a lot that can be done this year to fix that considering their draft position.

So you look to next year... Alex will be 31, Jamaal will be one year older and the Chiefs could take Xavier Su'Fila-whatever just as easily as they could take Beckham, Cooks or Lee and there would still be a lack of depth either in offensive weaponry or on the offensive line. Hali and Flowers are probably gone or will have played poor enough that replacing them is a necessity.

Chances are the Chiefs won't be able to compete in 2015 either. If you're in such a position that you're not good enough to compete for playoff success for two years in a row, then some big chances are needed in the roster.

If every draft pick from 2013-2015 pan out, then the Chiefs might be good enough to win a playoff game in 2016 and be in a good position to get to the conference final in 2017. That's an optimistic guess based on

But most draft picks in general don't pan out, and KC's drafting history writ large is pretty poor... So it'd be safe to say it'd take an extra year of drafting and player development to get in a position to be a legitimate team.

2018.

So what's the better option: try and eke out wild cards every other year with the aging roster the Chiefs have now or rebuild the team to be a consistent post season threat?

[TEX]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Before free agency, Vegas had our win total at 8 over, -125. After free agency, Vegas had our win total at 8 over, -125.

Oddsmakers don't seem to think we lost much.

You can use them as a basis for your argument if you want. Now, what did they have us at last year?

I trust my own eyes and what I know about the Chiefs. They are worse now than they were when the season ended. It's very easy to see that there's been more lost than gained. The thing that makes it hard is when folks don't want to accept it and start looking for ways to dispute it.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by TEX

You can use them as a basis for your argument if you want. Now, what did they have us at last year?

I trust my own eyes and what I know about the Chiefs. They are worse now than they were when the season ended. It's very easy to see that there's been more lost than gained. The thing that makes it hard is when folks don't want to accept it and start looking for ways to dispute it.

It's debatable. Letting Lewis and Robinson go removed a lot of suck.

[BigMeatballDave]

So, you are what your record is when you're 2-14, but not when you're 11-5?

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The window for starting QBs winning championships is 31. Alex is 30.

Someone should tell Denver, NO, and NE that they're not SB contenders.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BCD

Someone should tell Denver, NO, and NE that they're not SB contenders.

Hall of Famers. Every QB that's won a SB since free agency over the age of 31 are Hall of Fame caliber guys besides Brad Johnson.

Unless you're saying Alex Smith is a Hall of Fame quarterback.

[Chris Meck]

the big name high price free agents almost never are the difference makers that anyone thinks. I have no problem with waiting and bargain shopping. It is a reality that the teams that are in the hunt year in and year out don't panic, draft well, and let most of the FA's that want the big dollars walk. If you trust your talent evaluators, and you trust your coaching staff, then this is the right path.

Yes we have holes. I've got news for you-every team in the league has holes. I think Dorsey will find players to fill most if not all of them before August.

I'm okay with most of the guys we let walk. Albert is now an injury problem, Asamoah never became what he was supposed to, and Schwartz was a good but not exceptional player. McCluster has been called the worst player in the league on this board-now he's a major loss? Come on. We need a Guard, a Safety, and a Wide Receiver. And depth. Then we need the young players to progress. It's April. Wait and see before we panic.

[BlackHelicopters]

Commings will cure all of our ills.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BCD

It's debatable. Letting Lewis and Robinson go removed a lot of suck.

The current regime brought in Robinson.

Just playing Devil's Advocate here but we're being asked to trust these guys implicitly when one of the biggest "suck" players lost was a guy they brought in?