Fisher to LT?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You don't get a full offseason of reps. The new CBA has significantly shortened the amount of reps rookies get in OTAs and with coaches. For a raw player from a small division, let alone one changing from Left to Right Tackle, that shit makes a huge difference.

He was the 1st overall pick.

Get that "raw player from a small division" shit outta here.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He was the 1st overall pick.

Get that "raw player from a small division" shit outta here.

Exactly.

All we heard all offseason was how we shouldn't take a QB because none of them are ready to step right in and start/lead a team.

But somehow it's okay for an offensive linemen.

Silly ass double standards.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He was the 1st overall pick.

Get that "raw player from a small division" shit outta here.

And you have to stop obsessing about where he was picked. He was a terrible 1.1. He's never going to live up to the draft position. Once you get that out of your mind you'll realize it's way too soon to realize what he's got. Especially when you think of all the things stacked against him. Small school, incredibly shortened practice schedule, forced to switch positions and play extremely undersized.

[RunKC]

85% of this kid's problem was that he was simply not strong enough.

Dorsey told him to put on weight and hit the gym. I guarantee you he's doing that shit right now and has been ever since the season was over.

Time will tell. We'll find out next year.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by RunKC

85% of this kid's problem was that he was simply not strong enough.

Dorsey told him to put on weight and hit the gym. I guarantee you he's doing that shit right now and has been ever since the season was over.

Time will tell. We'll find out next year.

He was completely lost.

He's got guys that are 280 lbs JUKING him right off the line.

He's bull rushed over.

He's slapped and pushed.

He was beaten every way a man can be beaten short of prison seggs...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Rausch

He was completely lost.

He's got guys that are 280 lbs JUKING him right off the line.

He's bull rushed over.

He's slapped and pushed.

He was beaten every way a man can be beaten short of prison seggs...

The beginning of the season he looked flat out terrible. He improved in the middle of the season but looked terrible... that's going to happen to any rookie who squares off against JJ Watt, Von Miller twice, the Colts and Browns' solid defensive lines. At the end of the season, he looked like an ok player.

Of course he has to start playing a shitload better. But he did improve and he wasn't "terrible" at the end of the year. I've already mentioned lots of legit reasons why he could be better next season. And they are pretty big things.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Rausch

He was completely lost.

He's got guys that are 280 lbs JUKING him right off the line.

He's bull rushed over.

He's slapped and pushed.

He was beaten every way a man can be beaten short of prison seggs...

Exactly like Bruce Mathew's first season...He was a low 1st round pick himself, with a lot of expectations, and he was flat out terrible year 1. Mathews has stated many times that Fish has everything to become an excellent LT. He knows a bit about the subject and situation. I for one believe him. However, I understand how many folks wouldn't.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And you have to stop obsessing about where he was picked. He was a terrible 1.1. He's never going to live up to the draft position. Once you get that out of your mind you'll realize it's way too soon to realize what he's got. Especially when you think of all the things stacked against him. Small school, incredibly shortened practice schedule, forced to switch positions and play extremely undersized.

I'm not going to forget it.

It was the only 1.1 we've EVER had. That we wasted it on Eric Fisher is not something that should ever be forgotten.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm not going to forget it.

It was the only 1.1 we've EVER had. That we wasted it on Eric Fisher is not something that should ever be forgotten.

I hate the pick too. He's never going to live up to the pick.

But he's on the team now. We have to start evaluating him as a player, not as the 1.1. As a player he improved quite a bit and has a ton of upside. He'll never live up to the 1.1, but there's lots of reasons to think he will continue to improve a lot as a starter.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I hate the pick too. He's never going to live up to the pick.

But he's on the team now. We have to start evaluating him as a player, not as the 1.1. As a player he improved quite a bit and has a ton of upside. He'll never live up to the 1.1, but there's lots of reasons to think he will continue to improve a lot as a starter.

Now you're talking about the future. That's fine.

Before you were talking about the PAST. And lining up 400 ****ing reasons why the guy sucked last year. I don't want to hear the excuses. He was the 1st overall pick. The excuses don't jive.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Now you're talking about the future. That's fine.

Before you were talking about the PAST. And lining up 400 ****ing reasons why the guy sucked last year. I don't want to hear the excuses. He was the 1st overall pick. The excuses don't jive.

I didn't and never will understand why people think the true grade on a rookie, regardless of what position or where taken in the draft, is dependant on how they play in their rookie season. That's the kind of conversation that leads to safe picks, which is what Pioli was the king of.

I am not excusing Fisher's bad play last year. I am pointing out reasons why there's a good chance it's not representative of his actual skill set.And again, they aren't small reasons at all.