Fisher to LT?

[In58men]

@AdamSchefter: Chiefs HC Andy Reid said he plans to go to camp this summer with former No. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher playing left tackle.

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[Anyong Bluth]

Color me *shocked*


/sarcasm

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Every single scout out there said Fisher has rare tools to be a premier LEFT tackle at the NFL level.

If the SOLE reason he struggled last year was because he was playing out of position, what does that say about Andy Reid as a coach?

There's no way to pretty this up and make it not be a steaming pile of shit.

Either the GM didn't scout the right guy, the coach put him in a position to fail, or the player just isn't that good...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And you have to stop obsessing about where he was picked. He was a terrible 1.1. He's never going to live up to the draft position. Once you get that out of your mind you'll realize it's way too soon to realize what he's got. Especially when you think of all the things stacked against him. Small school, incredibly shortened practice schedule, forced to switch positions and play extremely undersized.

I'm not going to forget it.

It was the only 1.1 we've EVER had. That we wasted it on Eric Fisher is not something that should ever be forgotten.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm not going to forget it.

It was the only 1.1 we've EVER had. That we wasted it on Eric Fisher is not something that should ever be forgotten.

I hate the pick too. He's never going to live up to the pick.

But he's on the team now. We have to start evaluating him as a player, not as the 1.1. As a player he improved quite a bit and has a ton of upside. He'll never live up to the 1.1, but there's lots of reasons to think he will continue to improve a lot as a starter.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

If the SOLE reason he struggled last year was because he was playing out of position, what does that say about Andy Reid as a coach?

There's no way to pretty this up and make it not be a steaming pile of shit.

Either the GM didn't scout the right guy, the coach put him in a position to fail, or the player just isn't that good...

It's also possible Andy Reid thought he needed a year befoer putting him on the blind side, especially given the shortened offseason practice schedule. He wasn't the only coach to move a LT to RT. Either that or blame Dorsey for botching the Albert trade.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I hate the pick too. He's never going to live up to the pick.

But he's on the team now. We have to start evaluating him as a player, not as the 1.1. As a player he improved quite a bit and has a ton of upside. He'll never live up to the 1.1, but there's lots of reasons to think he will continue to improve a lot as a starter.

Now you're talking about the future. That's fine.

Before you were talking about the PAST. And lining up 400 ****ing reasons why the guy sucked last year. I don't want to hear the excuses. He was the 1st overall pick. The excuses don't jive.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's also possible Andy Reid thought he needed a year befoer putting him on the blind side, especially given the shortened offseason practice schedule. He wasn't the only coach to move a LT to RT. Either that or blame Dorsey for botching the Albert trade.

So put him on the right side and watch him fail? People talk all the time about sitting QBs so as to not "damage their psyche" but it's ok to do it with Fisher?

The double standards here are ridiculous.

[ct]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm sorry that if I don't blindly jump off cliffs because a guy struggles in his first season. I hated the pick. I still do. And I don't think he's an elite Left Tackle. I laid out plenty of reasons why he may be better but have never said he's a guaranteed success. I'm sorry if even the smallest hint of optimism smells like farts to you.

this, well said

If you've given up on Fisher already, who was drafted on potential to develop, #1 overall in a shit stain of a prospect draft class, then you've already given up on Dorsey and Reid and the evaluations they've made. If you are, fine, but I'm not there yet.

[BossChief]

If they were dead set on taking Fisher at 1, thee was no excuse not to get SOMETHING for Brandon Albert.

Once they knew they couldn't trade Albert, there was NO EXCUSE to not trade down...or take another player at 1.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by ct

this, well said

If you've given up on Fisher already, who was drafted on potential to develop, #1 overall in a shit stain of a prospect draft class, then you've already given up on Dorsey and Reid and the evaluations they've made. If you are, fine, but I'm not there yet.

I don't think anyone has "given up" on Fisher...but I CAN say that guys taken first overall NEED to flash the ability to play at a high level even as rookies.

I'm not sure i saw that out of Fisher.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So put him on the right side and watch him fail? People talk all the time about sitting QBs so as to not "damage their psyche" but it's ok to do it with Fisher?

The double standards here are ridiculous.

If you truly believe that we should put QBs out there to fail early (I do), then we shouldn't be throwing bust labels at guys like Dontari Poe and Eric Fisher who are learning their way on the field in the first season. For as much as this fan base, both the homers and the critics, talk about taking chances we are way too risk averse.

[BossChief]

Nobody ever called Poe a bust.

The guy flashed top end ability pretty quickly.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Now you're talking about the future. That's fine.

Before you were talking about the PAST. And lining up 400 ****ing reasons why the guy sucked last year. I don't want to hear the excuses. He was the 1st overall pick. The excuses don't jive.

I didn't and never will understand why people think the true grade on a rookie, regardless of what position or where taken in the draft, is dependant on how they play in their rookie season. That's the kind of conversation that leads to safe picks, which is what Pioli was the king of.

I am not excusing Fisher's bad play last year. I am pointing out reasons why there's a good chance it's not representative of his actual skill set.And again, they aren't small reasons at all.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If they were dead set on taking Fisher at 1, thee was no excuse not to get SOMETHING for Brandon Albert.

Once they knew they couldn't trade Albert, there was NO EXCUSE to not trade down...or take another player at 1.

Pretty sure they could have traded Albert if they wanted to.

I believe the rumors right after the Chiefs picked Fisher was that the Dolphins were like the only team in talks and that they were offering a 3rd, but Dorsey was holding out for a 2nd.

But at least we'll get a 3rd round comp pick next year!

[BossChief]

How they handled the Albert/first pick scenario was terrible wasting of resources.

It's like having 2-3 bananas that are ripe and going out and buying more bananas and eating them first and letting the older ones go bad and end up throwing them away when you are on a very limited income.