Chiefs Fisher to LT? - Page 42

In58men · 03-25-2014, 06:00 AM

@AdamSchefter: Chiefs HC Andy Reid said he plans to go to camp this summer with former No. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher playing left tackle.

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Pasta Little Brioni · 04-09-2014, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

A lot of posters didnt like the pick until the guy got on the field.

By mid season as a rookie, he was already playing at starters level and by years end was making plays.

You guys have very selective memories.

RunKC · 04-09-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

You guys have very selective memories.

No freaking kidding man. At least admit you hated the pick and wanted to see him do more. I can at least do that.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-09-2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Show me where I have ever been critical of Fisher.
I've been critical of Dorsey for picking Fisher, but not of Fisher himself.

The Rufus Dawes comment is about you and the way your every post in every thread is defending every thing the Chiefs are doing.

I feel like I'm at a sewage facility and you're trying to tell me that smell in the air is chocolate.

Give me a ****ing break.

Except that I hated the Fisher pick from day 1
I was critical of overpaying Bowe and others, and I called the chiefs out for looking inexperienced shopping our 1.1 and albert
I have never praised last year's draft. In fact I've said it doesn't give much confidence in a draft first strategy, even if I think that's the right direction
There were only a handful of people lukewarm on the Reid hiring. I was and still am one of them.

I'm sorry if those negative comments means I should join the herd and be unreasonably critical of Fisher, even if I didn't and still don't like the pick. I'm sorry if liking the strategy this year, even after hating it last year and having low confidence that we will execute effectively on the strategy is confused with endless sunshine and optimism.

Claiming I'm a mouthpiece for the organization is laughable.

**RealSNR** · 04-09-2014, 09:48 AM

And a lot of people that are saying, "Look at Poe! Chiefs Planet was wrong about him!" don't quite remember just how ****ing awful he looked in his college game tape. Just being right about something in the end doesn't mean the people who thought it was a terrible idea are stupid.

If you've got a job and your boss says he's going to have to make some layoffs to afford the new employee insurance that protects against Godzilla, you'd think he was pretty dumb, right? Well, let's say 6 months later, Godzilla wrecks shit around the city. Are you going to chuckle to yourself and say, "Welp, that's why he's got his job and I've got mine lol!"

Here's another good example: Anthony Sherman. Everybody thinks Dorsey was a genius for making this trade. Even though the trade was netting us a ****ing FB when we had JUST drafted one in the 6th round, had a 7th round FB from the year before, and were just about to pick up a promising rookie free agent FB. To make matters worse, that trade was at the expense of Javier Arenas, who wasn't anything special but at least he was SOMETHING in terms of CB depth. Dorsey looked at the depth behind Flowers and Smith, saw Jalil Brown, Dunta Robinson, and Vince ****ing Agnew, and said, "Yep. Looks good. We'll be fine" and made the ****ing trade anyway.

The ONLY goddamn reason why the trade wasn't a disaster was because one of the two CBs (Smith) was healthy all year and because we just found Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker sitting in a dumpster a full four months after Dorsey pulled the trigger like a ****ing moron on that trade.

Because the trade worked out doesn't mean Dorsey could see things that we couldn't. He had no ****ing clue that Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker would be available. Not one damn clue. And if you want to tout that he was a brilliant judge of Anthony Sherman's talent, then why the **** did he piss away a 6th round pick on Braden Wilson only to basically pronounce his death sentence less than 3 days later by making the Sherman trade?

Sometimes GMs do really ****ing stupid shit and then get rewarded for it. That's just a part of this game. All GMs do it. Pioli had it happen on multiple occasions. The problem is it's just so ****ing hard for CP members to grasp the incredibly simple concept that just because a situation works out in the end doesn't mean it was a smart idea at the time.

**The Franchise** · 04-09-2014, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

And a lot of people that are saying, "Look at Poe! Chiefs Planet was wrong about him!" don't quite remember just how ****ing awful he looked in his college game tape. Just being right about something in the end doesn't mean the people who thought it was a terrible idea are stupid.

If you've got a job and your boss says he's going to have to make some layoffs to afford the new employee insurance that protects against Godzilla, you'd think he was pretty dumb, right? Well, let's say 6 months later, Godzilla wrecks shit around the city. Are you going to chuckle to yourself and say, "Welp, that's why he's got his job and I've got mine lol!"

Here's another good example: Anthony Sherman. Everybody thinks Dorsey was a genius for making this trade. Even though the trade was netting us a ****ing FB when we had JUST drafted one in the 6th round, had a 7th round FB from the year before, and were just about to pick up a promising rookie free agent FB. To make matters worse, that trade was at the expense of Javier Arenas, who wasn't anything special but at least he was SOMETHING in terms of CB depth. Dorsey looked at the depth behind Flowers and Smith, saw Jalil Brown, Dunta Robinson, and Vince ****ing Agnew, and said, "Yep. Looks good. We'll be fine" and made the ****ing trade anyway.

The ONLY goddamn reason why the trade wasn't a disaster was because one of the two CBs (Smith) was healthy all year and because we just found Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker sitting in a dumpster a full four months after Dorsey pulled the trigger like a ****ing moron on that trade.

Because the trade worked out doesn't mean Dorsey could see things that we couldn't. He had no ****ing clue that Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker would be available. Not one damn clue. And if you want to tout that he was a brilliant judge of Anthony Sherman's talent, then why the **** did he piss away a 6th round pick on Braden Wilson only to basically pronounce his death sentence less than 3 days later by making the Sherman trade?

Sometimes GMs do really ****ing stupid shit and then get rewarded for it. That's just a part of this game. All GMs do it. Pioli had it happen on multiple occasions. The problem is it's just so ****ing hard for CP members to grasp the incredibly simple concept that just because a situation works out in the end doesn't mean it was a smart idea at the time.

Don't forget that if he hadn't had hit on Cooper.....we would have had Dunta Robinson at NB for 16 games.

**RealSNR** · 04-09-2014, 10:47 AM

And keep in mind, there's a difference between making a calculated risk and being stupid. The Willie Roaf trade was brilliant not because it worked out but because we spent very little draft stock (which we apparently didn't need anyway because the Vermeil drafts sucked dick) to potentially have in our possession one of the greatest LTs to play the game.

Poe rides the line of risk/stupidity in a very delicate way. On the one hand he possessed the highest upside of any NT in the draft that we've seen in years. Picking him could be validated very easily if we just had ANY kind of evidence that he was capable of doing what he was doing at the college level. Perhaps a flash here or there that demonstrates his unbelievable speed for a dude his size. Or maybe just instances where he DIDN'T get shoved off the line of scrimmage on nearly every play against Arkansas State and other C-USA schools. People would have understood the pick far better if we just had that little morsel of hope to look at in his college tape, I think.

Instead, all we could think about was a Bruce Campbell-type of combine performance combined with Bruce Campbell-type lack of production. Except instead of getting him in the 4th like the Raiders did, we drafted Poe in the top half of the 1st. That was the frustrating and potentially idiotic part of what made people angry about selecting Poe at the time.

milkman · 04-09-2014, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Give me a ****ing break.

Except that I hated the Fisher pick from day 1
I was critical of overpaying Bowe and others, and I called the chiefs out for looking inexperienced shopping our 1.1 and albert
I have never praised last year's draft. In fact I've said it doesn't give much confidence in a draft first strategy, even if I think that's the right direction
There were only a handful of people lukewarm on the Reid hiring. I was and still am one of them.

I'm sorry if those negative comments means I should join the herd and be unreasonably critical of Fisher, even if I didn't and still don't like the pick. I'm sorry if liking the strategy this year, even after hating it last year and having low confidence that we will execute effectively on the strategy is confused with endless sunshine and optimism.

Claiming I'm a mouthpiece for the organization is laughable.

I sure as hell don't remeber any critisisms you,ve ever directed at this regime without some "but" disclamer.

And the only person besides myself that didn't like hiring Reid that I can remember is Keg.

The only positive thing I can say about your dumb ass is that you are a really articulate moron.

temper11 · 04-09-2014, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I sure as hell don't remeber any critisisms you,ve ever directed at this regime without some "but" disclamer.

And the only person besides myself that didn't like hiring Reid that I can remember is Keg.

The only positive thing I can say about your dumb ass is that you are a really articulate moron.

This Chiefs message board is strange in which many of the posters all argue about who hates the Chiefs more, optimism is shouted down and pessimism applauded. I picture you all sitting around cutting on yourselves as you post. It's very dark in here.

Marcellus · 04-09-2014, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11

This Chiefs message board is strange in which many of the posters all argue about who hates the Chiefs more, optimism is shouted down and pessimism applauded. I picture you all sitting around cutting on yourselves as you post. It's very dark in here.

This is exactly what the

Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA thread has turned into.

**the Talking Can** · 04-09-2014, 11:18 AM

one of the dumbest picks in draft history

a team that hasn't won a playoff game in decades, or drafted a QB in the first round for even longer...uses the #1 pick in the draft to replace a probowl LT with a small school pussy who was almost literally the worst RT in the league (when he wasn't just injured like a pussy)..

genius like that is hard to find, much less appreciate...luckily we have Chiefs fans

htismaqe · 04-09-2014, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11

This Chiefs message board is strange in which many of the posters all argue about who hates the Chiefs more, optimism is shouted down and pessimism applauded. I picture you all sitting around cutting on yourselves as you post. It's very dark in here.

Yeah, that's why the "optimists" follow the "pessimists" around and shit on every thread they post in, even if the post wasn't pessimistic at all.

Take off the blinders and get a clue.

**the Talking Can** · 04-09-2014, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11

This Chiefs message board is strange in which many of the posters all argue about who hates the Chiefs more, optimism is shouted down and pessimism applauded. I picture you all sitting around cutting on yourselves as you post. It's very dark in here.

i picture you getting throat banged by marcellus

htismaqe · 04-09-2014, 11:20 AM

I find it ironic that we're getting a lecture on pessimism from a ****ING FORTYNINER FAN.

He roots for a team that's had more success in the last TWO YEARS than the Chiefs have had in the LAST TWO ****ING DECADES.

**RealSNR** · 04-09-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11

This Chiefs message board is strange in which many of the posters all argue about who hates the Chiefs more, optimism is shouted down and pessimism applauded. I picture you all sitting around cutting on yourselves as you post. It's very dark in here.

Okay which one of these guys are you?

mcaj22 · 04-09-2014, 11:23 AM

It shouldnt be considered a negative outlook if you as a fan are cheering for the team succeed when they acquire a 29 year old QB to lead the team, and you actually want/wish that QB would lead the team far and maybe even to the Super Bowl. There is no other reason to justify acquiring him, and if you spin it to just "be competitive/tread water/transition QB" then YOU are actually the negative one against the Chiefs.

The problem is Alex Smith, the QB everyone on here cheers for needs help. A lot of people, on here, realize that, and it comes off negative that they push the agenda of "please get some ****ing help around our QB so he can keep us in games/win them without the other 21 starters (mostly the 11 on defense) pissing it away/losing it.

Russel Wilson doesn't win a Super Bowl without all the help he had on that defense.

But that's the problem with the Chiefs, people want FA help because the Chiefs aren't getting much help from the draft. If the Chiefs actually had good ****ing drafts that helped the team nobody would give a shit about FAs. But the Chiefs are a franchise that walks the line of getting no help from the draft and doing nothing in FA and YOU CANT DO BOTH LIKE THAT. You either need to get some FA help if your drafts are shitty or stay out of FA if you have good drafts. The Chiefs don't do either of those well. And that's the conundrum.

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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1514792	And a lot of people that are saying, "Look at Poe! Chiefs Planet was wrong about him!" don't quite remember just how **ing awful he looked in his college game tape. Just being right about something in the end doesn't mean the people who thought it was a terrible idea are stupid. If you've got a job and your boss says he's going to have to make some layoffs to afford the new employee insurance that protects against Godzilla, you'd think he was pretty dumb, right? Well, let's say 6 months later, Godzilla wrecks shit around the city. Are you going to chuckle to yourself and say, "Welp, that's why he's got his job and I've got mine lol!" Here's another good example: Anthony Sherman. Everybody thinks Dorsey was a genius for making this trade. Even though the trade was netting us a ing FB when we had JUST drafted one in the 6th round, had a 7th round FB from the year before, and were just about to pick up a promising rookie free agent FB. To make matters worse, that trade was at the expense of Javier Arenas, who wasn't anything special but at least he was SOMETHING in terms of CB depth. Dorsey looked at the depth behind Flowers and Smith, saw Jalil Brown, Dunta Robinson, and Vince ing Agnew, and said, "Yep. Looks good. We'll be fine" and made the ing trade anyway. The ONLY goddamn reason why the trade wasn't a disaster was because one of the two CBs (Smith) was healthy all year and because we just found Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker sitting in a dumpster a full four months after Dorsey pulled the trigger like a ing moron on that trade. Because the trade worked out doesn't mean Dorsey could see things that we couldn't. He had no ing clue that Marcus Cooper and Ron Parker would be available. Not one damn clue. And if you want to tout that he was a brilliant judge of Anthony Sherman's talent, then why the did he piss away a 6th round pick on Braden Wilson only to basically pronounce his death sentence less than 3 days later by making the Sherman trade? Sometimes GMs do really ing stupid shit and then get rewarded for it. That's just a part of this game. All GMs do it. Pioli had it happen on multiple occasions. The problem is it's just so **ing hard for CP members to grasp the incredibly simple concept that just because a situation works out in the end doesn't mean it was a smart idea at the time.
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1514792	And keep in mind, there's a difference between making a calculated risk and being stupid. The Willie Roaf trade was brilliant not because it worked out but because we spent very little draft stock (which we apparently didn't need anyway because the Vermeil drafts sucked dick) to potentially have in our possession one of the greatest LTs to play the game. Poe rides the line of risk/stupidity in a very delicate way. On the one hand he possessed the highest upside of any NT in the draft that we've seen in years. Picking him could be validated very easily if we just had ANY kind of evidence that he was capable of doing what he was doing at the college level. Perhaps a flash here or there that demonstrates his unbelievable speed for a dude his size. Or maybe just instances where he DIDN'T get shoved off the line of scrimmage on nearly every play against Arkansas State and other C-USA schools. People would have understood the pick far better if we just had that little morsel of hope to look at in his college tape, I think. Instead, all we could think about was a Bruce Campbell-type of combine performance combined with Bruce Campbell-type lack of production. Except instead of getting him in the 4th like the Raiders did, we drafted Poe in the top half of the 1st. That was the frustrating and potentially idiotic part of what made people angry about selecting Poe at the time.
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the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9182208	one of the dumbest picks in draft history a team that hasn't won a playoff game in decades, or drafted a QB in the first round for even longer...uses the #1 pick in the draft to replace a probowl LT with a small school pussy who was almost literally the worst RT in the league (when he wasn't just injured like a pussy).. genius like that is hard to find, much less appreciate...luckily we have Chiefs fans __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8119900	I find it ironic that we're getting a lecture on pessimism from a **ING FORTYNINER FAN. He roots for a team that's had more success in the last TWO YEARS than the Chiefs have had in the LAST TWO **ING DECADES.
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	It shouldnt be considered a negative outlook if you as a fan are cheering for the team succeed when they acquire a 29 year old QB to lead the team, and you actually want/wish that QB would lead the team far and maybe even to the Super Bowl. There is no other reason to justify acquiring him, and if you spin it to just "be competitive/tread water/transition QB" then YOU are actually the negative one against the Chiefs. The problem is Alex Smith, the QB everyone on here cheers for needs help. A lot of people, on here, realize that, and it comes off negative that they push the agenda of "please get some **ing help around our QB so he can keep us in games/win them without the other 21 starters (mostly the 11 on defense) pissing it away/losing it. Russel Wilson doesn't win a Super Bowl without all the help he had on that defense. But that's the problem with the Chiefs, people want FA help because the Chiefs aren't getting much help from the draft. If the Chiefs actually had good **ing drafts that helped the team nobody would give a shit about FAs. But the Chiefs are a franchise that walks the line of getting no help from the draft and doing nothing in FA and YOU CANT DO BOTH LIKE THAT. You either need to get some FA help if your drafts are shitty or stay out of FA if you have good drafts. The Chiefs don't do either of those well. And that's the conundrum.
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