Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

[htismaqe]

You can only get depth in the draft.

Signed,
Jeff Linkenbach

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You can only get depth in the draft.

Signed,
Jeff Linkenbach

He's just saying that because he wants to start...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You can only get depth in the draft.

Signed,
Jeff Linkenbach

True, you can use the scrap pile. And that's brought in quality depth guys like Jordan, McGrath, Cooper, Parker, Abdullah, Schwartz, Watkins, and rishaw Johnson for bargain basement deals. But the more we fill in quality depth, the less we need to bring in other people's scraps like linkenbach. Which is why it doesn't bother me at all that with a low importance position like guard, we aren't afraid to slide in some cheap guys and give them a shot.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BCD

He's just saying that because he wants to start...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

True, you can use the scrap pile. And that's brought in quality depth guys like Jordan, McGrath, Cooper, Parker, Abdullah, Schwartz, Watkins, and rishaw Johnson for bargain basement deals. But the more we fill in quality depth, the less we need to bring in other people's scraps like linkenbach. Which is why it doesn't bother me at all that with a low importance position like guard, we aren't afraid to slide in some cheap guys and give them a shot.

OK, so your statement about getting depth through the draft was false then...

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

Everyone knocked Mark Cuban, but he was right. People here think they've distanced themselves from the Chiefs, but I'd be willing to bet it's the NFL as a whole.

They're everywhere, on all the time, clearly ruining the game, and people are stepping away.

It's a subtle shift, but a lot of people are doing it...

Hard to imagine a decline right now though because people are so fervent about the league. Anything and everything they can get. As you say though, "they're everywhere" and everything gets old - just a matter of time before people get their fill.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Is Chris Clemons even worth a shit? Average players on other teams get pimped the hell out of on this board so it's hard to tell. Shit look at Sanders.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's fine. You think we are a few pieces away. I don't think we are. We don't have depth which can only be built in the draft. We have too many holes in role positions which I would love to fill in the back of the draft. At times we are relying on average players in key positions like DeVito, when the draft should be finding you playmakers to fill that spot. And we are really overrating how critical some of our core guys are. Houston and Hali, yes. Dj and Flowers, very replaceable. I get that we can draft and make some free agent moves at the same time. But we really make it much harder to extend our window past a few years.

We almost beat an indy team that got whalloped in the second round by a team that is even better this year and didn't even win the conference. I think we are a good team and I get why people's concerns about our draft history creates urgency to win now. But sorry, I think the win now strategy only sets us up for disappointment and a guaranteed collapse by year 3. Just my personal opinion.

Unless we get a QB that grows with the guys we are drafting in the next couple drafts, that window is closing in 3 years anyway.

And since I'm talking about 2nd contract mid tier free agents, we are talking about players that can play with this team for several years, vs. 2 late round picks in a draft that is being labeled as the weakest in years.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by PGM

Is Chris Clemons even worth a shit? Average players on other teams get pimped the hell out of on this board so it's hard to tell. Shit look at Sanders.

He isn't a world beater necessarily but he's a far cry better than anything we've had recently.

Here's a thing jspchief posted from Bleacher Report:

Coverage: 35/40
Utilizing exceptional speed from the safety position, Chris Clemons (6’1”, 214 lbs, five seasons) excels in coverage due to his wide range from a single-high look. He easily transitions from a backpedal to opening his hips and carrying receivers down the field. When that athletic fluidity in space is combined with his elite speed in the open field, Clemons often found himself as a factor in plays down the field for the Dolphins defense.


Run Defense: 8/15
Clemons is an asset in run defense primarily because of his speed. He can close on a ball-carrier in a hurry, but he isn’t a downhill weapon from a physical standpoint. He excels in space and being the last line of defense in both pass and run defense.

Tackle: 11/20
Clemons isn’t the most physical player, but he doesn’t seem to shy away from contact. That said, when he lowers his shoulder and makes a tackle, it’s not going to stay in the mind of the ball-carrier. He doesn’t pack a lot of pop upon contact, but he will often be around the ball if a player gets to the second level.

Speed: 25/25
Clemons joins Earl Thomas as the only two safeties to receive a perfect 25 score on the “speed” grade in this year’s NFL 1000. He’s the prototypical center fielder at free safety. On teams that love to press on the outside and give their safeties freedom to roam the field, he would be a good fit.

Overall: 79/100
Clemons has an elite attribute that separates him from other safeties in the NFL. His game is built around speed and his ability cover a large area.

Combine that with the fact that he signed 2-year deal worth $2.7M and only $450K guaranteed and yeah, he would have been a good fit.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

Unless we get a QB that grows with the guys we are drafting in the next couple drafts, that window is closing in 3 years anyway.

And since I'm talking about 2nd contract mid tier free agents, we are talking about players that can play with this team for several years, vs. 2 late round picks in a draft that is being labeled as the weakest in years.

I would want the chiefs to follow the Seahawks and 49ers strategy. But am prepared for them to be stupid and not do that. I want them to draft mettenbetger or Murray. Hell draft a QB high every year. Trust me, I realize how many things have to go right for that window to stay open. I believe a good GM can easily do it. I am not convinced yet Dorsey is a good GM but will give him a shot to try.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by BCD

Gaz has been gone so long, I don't even remember his style. Other than his font.

Gaz debated, but he didn't fight. That's why he isn't here any more. Couldn't stand all the 'pull your head out of your ass and listen here, mother****er' posts.

But his stance was face-raping defense, not his phrase, forgot what his phrase was. To that end, I think the Vermeil era probably killed his Chiefs boner altogether. The way the rules have changed he might not even like football anymore, though I'm sure he loved the **** out of the Seahawks' SB.

He, much like me, enjoyed the days of DT and Neil rushing the edges, Saleamua, and Phillips crashing the middle, and Mincy cock-cocking fools on the second level, while Carter, Lewis and Mighty Mouse had receivers on lock down.

That was football for Gaz.

~ xoxo

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I think many of us are getting to this point. In Missouri, for the most part, you just have to settle for having somebody play that sport at that level. We seem to be a state that's the subject of a cruel experiment that's testing how far "sports franchises/team/groups/organizations" can ride the "you're lucky to have a team" concept. If it weren't for the assholes in St. Louis and their stupid baseball team, we'd be left with two Missouri-based contenders in all of sports, and THAT'S in minor league hockey and D2 college basketball. And who even knew they existed as a powerhouse before we heard they were in the championship.

Anyway, we have little reason to get excited about the Chiefs anymore. I'm still holding-out hope for th Royals (again this year).

That's not very Sporting of you.

[Baby Lee]

I think this is all the downside of parity. Parity is a HUGE part of what makes the NFL so great, compelling games week-in, week-out. But parity also means that even shitty teams are pretty damn good.

For as bad as we had it last year with a Jeckyl Hyde defense and a meltdown in the playoffs, imagine being a Packer fan, they are a blessed franchise, a model franchise, but one arm going up to Aaron Rodger's collarbone and they're INSTANTLY a middle of the road ho-hum team playing out the string, they had to know right away.

Same with us, after the 2011 string of ACLs, we breathe a sigh of relief. That was a fluke, that'll never happen again. Then we see what even minor irritations for Hali and Houston mean for us this past year.

Every single game in the NFL, there are things that happen off screen that, if a savvier set of players recognized it, would have resulted in vastly different outcomes. Some of the most moribund offenses in the league just plain fail to see free-running WRs open for TDs, or flailing OLmen whose deficits aren't being exploited.

The key these days is keeping healthy and having quality depth.

This is what made the Seahawks so exciting to watch throughout the playoffs. Were they the most dominant at every position in the history of the league, no. But they were the best at maximizing positives and minimizing negatives. Is this guy a ferocious playmaker? No, then have him occupy a player in space and let the playmakers make plays elsewhere. They weren't the '854 Bears, . . . but they looked like it because they met power with power and let weakness hide over with weakness.

I've said it before and I'll say it again here, an NFL team is like a naturally aspirated, carburetor fueled engine. One thing gets out of whack and the entire feedback loop is disrupted and the whole machine runs like dog shit. We have a lot of quality players who, if the MACHINE is running clean can rape faces, on O and on D. But you slow down the pass rush 1 millisecond and now you're relying on your FS to keep it all together and his dog shit rises to the surface and the entire swamp looks like a pile of dog shit. Alex can led a well oiled offense, but let Bowe have a few drops, or some of our less savvy WRs run bullshit routes, or barely concuss our best RB and take our 2nd best RB out with injury as well, and we're running the O with a Yugo power plant.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I think this is all the downside of parity. Parity is a HUGE part of what makes the NFL so great, compelling games week-in, week-out. But parity also means that even shitty teams are pretty damn good.

For as bad as we had it last year with a Jeckyl Hyde defense and a meltdown in the playoffs, imagine being a Packer fan, they are a blessed franchise, a model franchise, but one arm going up to Aaron Rodger's collarbone and they're INSTANTLY a middle of the road ho-hum team playing out the string, they had to know right away.

Same with us, after the 2011 string of ACLs, we breathe a sigh of relief. That was a fluke, that'll never happen again. Then we see what even minor irritations for Hali and Houston mean for us this past year.

The key these days is keeping healthy and having quality depth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again here, an NFL team is like a naturally aspirated, carburetor fueled engine. One thing gets out of whack and the entire feedback loop is disrupted and the whole machine runs like dog shit. We have a lot of quality players who, if the MACHINE is running clean can rape faces, on O and on D. But you slow down the pass rush 1 millisecond and now you're relying on your FS to keep it all together and his dog shit rises to the surface and the entire swamp looks like a pile of dog shit. Alex can led a well oiled offense, but let Bowe have a few drops, or some of our less savvy WRs run bullshit routes and we're running the O with a Yugo power plant.

GREAT post.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Alex can led a well oiled offense, but let Bowe have a few drops, or some of our less savvy WRs run bullshit routes, or barely concuss our best RB and take our 2nd best RB out with injury as well, and we're running the O with a Yugo power plant.

This is why it's so important to have a difference maker at QB.

They are good deodorant for otherwise powerful stink.