Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by Messier

Who do you want?

The next John Elway.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by el borracho

The next John Elway.

Who lost 3 SBs?

I'd rather have the next Joe Montana.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by el borracho

The next John Elway.

And that is...

[TEX]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Is this a serious question? In 2003, the Chiefs went on a huge spending binge bringing in Shawn Barber, Vonnie Holliday, Dexter McCleon. 2004 they were quiet, but attempted to fill in their Right Tackle problem with John Welbourn. In 2005, they binged again by bringing in Sammy Knight, Kendrell Bell, trading big for Patrick Surtain. You'll recall that during the entire DV era, it was extremely difficult for rookies to win starting jobs.

And in 2005, rather than cut the cord and rebuild, we decided to spend money on McIntosh and Ty Law to band aid the team.

Sure is a serious question. Are you serious with your answer ??? I specifically said '03 and 'O4. You're talking '05 and later. Which supports my point in that they did NOTHING after the '03 season.

You have your "facts" wrong. KC DID VIRTUALLY NOTHING EXCEPT SIGN THEIR OWN GUYS AND KEPT G.R. after the promising 2003 season. It wasn't until after the KNEW THEY BLEW IT taking that course did they make the changes you mentioned AFTER TAKING A STEP BACKWARDS, GOING 7-9 in 04 and missing the playoffs.

NOW I know why you have most of you're opinions...you, like the Chiefs, dont learn from your mistakes.

As I said, WELCOME BACK TO THE FUTURE. 2014 is setting up to be like '04.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by el borracho

You know what approach the Chiefs have never tried?- Having a franchise QB. Let me know when the Chiefs have a top 5 QB. Until then, they're just dicking the dog.

There are models that work where you get a very good QB and surround him with a great supporting cast. Eli and Flacco are two great examples. If we follow the Seahawks and 49ers model, we should keep flinging picks at qbs until we find a young gun. I would love to draft Aaron Murray this year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by TEX

Get your years straight dude...
Sure is a serious question. Are you serious with your answer ???

You have your "facts" wrong. KC DID VIRTUALLY NOTHING EXCEPT SIGN THEIR OWN GUYS AND KEPT G.R. after the promising 2003 season. It wasn't until after the KNEW THEY BLEW IT taking that course did they make the changes you mentioned AFTER TAKING A STEP BACKWARDS, GOING 7-9 in 04 and missing the playoffs.

NOW I know why you have most of you're opinions...you, like the Chiefs, dont learn from your mistakes.

As I said, WELCOME BACK TO THE FUTURE. 2014 is setting up to be like '04.

They did nothing because they were in such a horrible cap situation that they had to shuffle all their contracts around to barely fit under the cap that year. Cmon, man. They spent a shit load on free agents in the vermeil years. Gave up a shit load of draft picks during that time. And we are going to point to one year where they were quiet?

4 seasons of heavy offseason free agency activity and only one playoff berth.

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There are models that work where you get a very good QB and surround him with a great supporting cast. Eli and Flacco are two great examples. If we follow the Seahawks and 49ers model, we should keep flinging picks at qbs until we find a young gun. I would love to draft Aaron Murray this year.

If you want to follow the Seahawks and 9ers model, then the Chiefs need to build an all-time defense.

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by Messier

And that is...

Not some other team's backup.

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Not some other team's backup.

Actually, I should amend that to read "not some guy with years of evidence indicating that he isn't a top 5 QB". A backup with limited experience may or may not develop into a top 5 QB.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by el borracho

If you want to follow the Seahawks and 9ers model, then the Chiefs need to build an all-time defense.

We have to keep gunning for an elite QB but you have to build your team on the 99% likelihood that you won't get one. If Smith starts showing up more consistently in big situations, he could Flacco his way into a Super Bowl. But he, like most qbs not named Brady, Peyton, Brees, or Rodgers probably needs help.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We have to keep gunning for an elite QB but you have to build your team on the 99% likelihood that you won't get one. If Smith starts showing up more consistently in big situations, he could Flacco his way into a Super Bowl. But he, like most qbs not named Brady, Peyton, Brees, or Rodgers probably needs help.

Even with a Brady or Brees, a great defense, or even an opportunistic ball-hawking defense (like the Saints their SB year) is extremely helpful.

Anymore, I think you focus almost exclusively on defense and QB first and fill in everything else when you can.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Even with a Brady or Brees, a great defense, or even an opportunistic ball-hawking defense (like the Saints their SB year) is extremely helpful.

Anymore, I think you focus almost exclusively on defense and QB first and fill in everything else when you can.

I agree. For as much as we obsess about this being a passing league, I still think the best way to win without a hall of fame QB is through ball control and a balanced attack. The Steelers were one of the hotter teams in the second half when they actually had a real rb. I would argue Eli and Flacco had problems because their offense couldn't establish a running game. We aren't talking about Marty ball here. Teams like the Seahawks are still aggressive in the passing game, but also focusing on controlling the clock and establishing a strong running game.

But there will always be an obsession over no huddle and a three passing down strategy.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I agree. For as much as we obsess about this being a passing league, I still think the best way to win without a hall of fame QB is through ball control and a balanced attack. The Steelers were one of the hotter teams in the second half when they actually had a real rb. I would argue Eli and Flacco had problems because their offense couldn't establish a running game. We aren't talking about Marty ball here. Teams like the Seahawks are still aggressive in the passing game, but also focusing on controlling the clock and establishing a strong running game.

But there will always be an obsession over no huddle and a three passing down strategy.

This is where the type of QB you have makes a difference.

If you've got a QB like Kap or Wilson, having a shutdown defense helps because those are guys that can slow the game down (Kap with his legs).

If you have Brees, having an opportunistic defense is the key. They may give up yards but ultimately, if they get turnovers, they're giving Brees another chance to run up the score.

With Alex Smith, I think the emphasis needs to be on a shutdown defense. Getting turnovers is great but don't take too many risks, don't give up big plays.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Actually, I should amend that to read "not some guy with years of evidence indicating that he isn't a top 5 QB". A backup with limited experience may or may not develop into a top 5 QB.

So not a Drew Brees, or Rich Gannon.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Messier

So not a Drew Brees, or Rich Gannon.

Definitely NOT Rich Gannon.