Rishaw Johnson penciled in as RG starter

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I beg to differ:

Devin Street
6'3"
198 lbs.
33 3/8" arms
9 1/4" hands
40: 4.55
Vertical: 37"
Broad: 124"
3 Cone: 6.89 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

Marquis Lee
6'0"
192 lbs.
31 3/4" arms
9 1/2" hands
40: 4.52
Vertical: 38"
Broad: 127"
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.01 seconds

Same guy except Street is bigger and high points the ball better. Better hands than Lee as well.

You lose all credibility when you compare two WR on paper. Measurables mean nothing.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

You lose all credibility when you compare two WR on paper. Measurables mean nothing.

I'm hoping that you are going to provide information about why I was misinformed then...since you are obviously the "informed" one about the whole comparison.

Unless you are just a hypocritical piece of shit.

So, inform me...

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm hoping that you are going to provide information about why I was misinformed then...since you are obviously the "informed" one about the whole comparison.

Unless you are just a hypocritical piece of shit.

So, inform me...

Then answer my question.....Why is Lee regarded as a 1st rounder and Street isn't?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Then answer my question.....Why is Lee regarded as a 1st rounder and Street isn't?

His production his sophomore year, when he had a legit high level QB throwing the ball (Barkley) and Robert Woods taking pressure off him.


2011: Games: 12 Rec/Yards: 73/1143 Aver: 15.7 TDs: 11
2012: Games: 13 Rec/Yards: 118/1721 Aver: 14.6 TDs: 14
2013: Games: 11 Rec/Yards: 57/791 Aver: 13.9 TDs: 4

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

His production his sophomore year, when he had a legit high level QB throwing the ball (Barkley) and Robert Woods taking pressure off him.


2011: Games: 12 Rec/Yards: 73/1143 Aver: 15.7 TDs: 11
2012: Games: 13 Rec/Yards: 118/1721 Aver: 14.6 TDs: 14
2013: Games: 11 Rec/Yards: 57/791 Aver: 13.9 TDs: 4

AJ Green never topped 1000 yards in a season or had more than 10 TDs.....he must suck.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

AJ Green never topped 1000 yards in a season or had more than 10 TDs.....he must suck.

AJ Green was a prodigy level player for the position. That he never topped 1000 yards in a season in college is irrelevant.

Same with Calvin Johnson, who only topped 1000 yards once in a three year college career.

With Lee, once Barkley and Woods are gone and he's the focus of the offense, you actually lose 1000 yards from his sophomore to his junior year. That's an absolutely incredible number/drop in production.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

AJ Green was a prodigy level player for the position. That he never topped 1000 yards in a season in college is irrelevant.

Same with Calvin Johnson, who only topped 1000 yards once in a three year college career.

With Lee, once Barkley and Woods are gone and he's the focus of the offense, you actually lose 1000 yards from his sophomore to his junior year. That's an absolutely incredible number/drop in production.

Marquise Lee is a prodigy level player for the position. His 2013 season is irrelevant.

See how easy that is?

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm hoping that you are going to provide information about why I was misinformed then...since you are obviously the "informed" one about the whole comparison.

Unless you are just a hypocritical piece of shit.

So, inform me...

Player A
HEIGHT
6'4"
ARM LENGTH
33 5/8"
WEIGHT
228LBS.
HANDS
10 1/8"

40: 4.50
vert: 42"
129" broad jump
20 reps on the bench press

Long strider that can stretch the field and shows the ability to consistently track the ball in the air. Possesses excellent hands and high points the ball very well. Strong runner after the catch that breaks arm tackles and flashes a vicious stiff arm. Fearless over the middle.

Player B
HEIGHT
6'4"
ARM LENGTH
34 3/8"
WEIGHT
211LBS.
HANDS
9 1/4"

40: 4.50
vert: 34"
126" broad jump
18 reps on the bench press

Possesses prototypical height, a wide catch-radius, and very good speed. A true vertical, big play threat. Explodes off the line. Eats up cushions immediately. Doesn't idle down in-and-out of his breaks. Displays the ability to uncover against zone. Can haul in the poorly thrown pass and wins most jump balls. Productive over the middle. Very competitive.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Player A
Sloppy route runner that struggles to separate from quicker defensive backs. Takes too many false steps in transition and does not always find soft spots in zone coverage. Does not have enough wiggle to make defenders miss in the open field. Not exactly a willing run blocker and will occasionally take plays off.

Player B
Possesses prototypical height, a wide catch-radius, and very good speed. A true vertical, big play threat. Explodes off the line. Eats up cushions immediately. Doesn't idle down in-and-out of his breaks. Displays the ability to uncover against zone. Can haul in the poorly thrown pass and wins most jump balls. Productive over the middle. Very competitive.

Baldwin vs. Green

And?

Baldwin was a lazy player in college who couldn't separate off the line even at that level despite his prodigious measurables.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Baldwin vs. Green

And?

Baldwin was a lazy player in college who couldn't separate off the line even at that level despite his prodigious measurables.

I just can't get through to you.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I just can't get through to you.

I know what you are saying.

What I'm saying is that guys like Devin Street and Mike Davis and Jared Abbrederis put up as good or better numbers than a guy like Lee and seem to have not only the measurables but the work ethic and drive as well.

It's an extremely deep WR position draft. There are incredibly solid prospects well into the fourth round. Guys who put up ridiculous college numbers like Cody Hoffman might not even get drafted.

What the problem is is that there are a number of people who think that the OG position is a pile of shit and you can just put a guy you found at a truck stop there and get quality production versus a "skill position" where if you don't spend a first rounder on that you'll never get that type of player again in the draft.

Then there is the problem of guys willing to pay journeymen level players $4 and $5 million dollars per because they don't want to spend a first round pick on a particular position, even though that first round pick will be paid half of that and most likely has substantially more upside than said overpaid journeyman player.

However, when it comes down to it, the best players at their positions, regardless of the position, tend to get drafted early versus later.

And I'm already on record stating that I would love Odell Beckham as our pick. In fact, if he's there and they pass, I'm going to be a bit disappointed. However, I'm not going to lose my shit if they decide to go with a guy like S'ua-Filo, who is generally regarded as the best offensive guard prospect in this draft and the best at that position since DeCastro.

I'm also of the opinion that guys like Donte Moncrief and Devin Street and Mike Davis have as much potential to develop into #1 WR's as do guys like Mike Evans, Sammy Watkins and Marquis Lee. I'm also of the opinion that Beckham and Cooks will be off the board by the time the Chiefs pick and if they want to go that fast slot guy route, dudes like Josh Huff and Robert Herron are not that far behind Beckham and Cooks. It's just that deep of a draft for that position.

[planetdoc]

I'm not sure if anyone is implying it, but I want to make it clear that Rishaw Johnson is very athletic, and not just a "bum" because he wasnt drafted by the chiefs.



Rishaw Johnson also has 35.25" arms, and 10.25" hands
while Xavier has 33.375" arms, and 9.375" hands