Rishaw Johnson penciled in as RG starter

[-King-]

Originally Posted by SNR

Linkenbach sucked dick with the Colts.

Schwartz didn't suck dick with the Vikings. He played pretty well, actually.

Schwartz didn't start a single game for the Vikings.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by -King-

Schwartz didn't start a single game for the Vikings.

He didn't say that he started did he? He said he played well for them.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

He didn't say that he started did he? He said he played well for them.

How the hell can you tell that? Schwarz only came in as an extra lineman or during field goals that year. He had less than 10 snaps in the majority of games that season.

Schwartz is terribly overrated on this forum. He's not even an average guard. There's a reason he's started more than 3 games only twice in his career.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by -King-

How the hell can you tell that? Schwarz only came in as an extra lineman or during field goals that year. He had less than 10 snaps in the majority of games that season.

Schwartz is terribly overrated on this forum. He's not even an average guard. There's a reason he's started more than 3 games only twice in his career.

Backups can't play well.....got it.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Backups can't play well.....got it.

They're backups for 6 years for a reason.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by -King-

How the hell can you tell that? Schwarz only came in as an extra lineman or during field goals that year. He had less than 10 snaps in the majority of games that season.

Schwartz is terribly overrated on this forum. He's not even an average guard. There's a reason he's started more than 3 games only twice in his career.

Not everything can be said about a player in his resume, dude. I don't know why you, Sac, and sapho are making such a big deal about the "Four teams in four yearsssszzzz!!!!" crap. He's STARTED games before he came to us as a reserve lineman. When he came here as a reserve lineman, he played WELL for us. Does any other shit ****ing matter other than that? When James Harrison got his first starts for the Steelers, did they give a shit about his up-and-down resume before looking to him for the next season?

I don't care if he came in as just a guy. When he played for us, it was okay. He wasn't this massive ****up like Linkenbach has only ever been his entire career with the Colts. We KNOW what Schwartz is, and that's consistency. That's his entire value. It's not Will Shields, but he doesn't need to be. He doesn't even need to be a top 10 guard, which he's not. That's all I or anybody has ever said about him. I fail to see how that in any way is overrating the player.

And if you want to still call it overrating, then I'd rather overrate Schwartz than draft guard at #1, and I'd rather start Schwartz than Rishaw Johnson or Jeff Linkenbach.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by SNR

Not everything can be said about a player in his resume, dude. I don't know why you, Sac, and sapho are making such a big deal about the "Four teams in four yearsssszzzz!!!!" crap. He's STARTED games before he came to us as a reserve lineman. When he came here as a reserve lineman, he played WELL for us. Does any other shit ****ing matter other than that? When James Harrison got his first starts for the Steelers, did they give a shit about his up-and-down resume before looking to him for the next season?

That doesn't even make sense. So because he played well for 8 snaps a game as a 6th lineman and field goal blocker, that means he's really a good player and he could turn out to be James Harrison? No, it's really because he couldn't beat out a bunch of players and when he was asked to start a full season, he was below average.

I don't care if he came in as just a guy. When he played for us, it was okay. He wasn't this massive ****up like Linkenbach has only ever been his entire career with the Colts.

Of course not, because he was NEVER asked to do what Linkenbach did. If Linkenbach was only asked to play 8 snaps a game as a 6th lineman, he wouldn't look too bad either.

We KNOW what Schwartz is, and that's consistency. That's his entire value. It's not Will Shields, but he doesn't need to be. He doesn't even need to be a top 10 guard, which he's not. That's all I or anybody has ever said about him. I fail to see how that in any way is overrating the player.

You are right. He's consistently been a below average player not worthy of being a starter long term. He's proven that 6 years running now. The fact it's taken him till his 7th season in the league to be a starter without an injury provoking it at his position is a testament to how bad he is.

And if you want to still call it overrating, then I'd rather overrate Schwartz than draft guard at #1, and I'd rather start Schwartz than Rishaw Johnson or Jeff Linkenbach.

I wouldn't draft guard at #1 either. But I also won't be upset we didn't give Geoff ****ing Schwartz $5 mil. He's no more special than Johnson or Linkenbach. They're all average at best players and more career backups than starters. I wouldn't give any of them $5 mil so if push came to shove I'd choose the cheaper options which we did.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by -King-

That doesn't even make sense. So because he played well for 8 snaps a game as a 6th lineman and field goal blocker, that means he's really a good player and he could turn out to be James Harrison? No, it's really because he couldn't beat out a bunch of players and when he was asked to start a full season, he was below average.

Of course not, because he was NEVER asked to do what Linkenbach did. If Linkenbach was only asked to play 8 snaps a game as a 6th lineman, he wouldn't look too bad either.

You are right. He's consistently been a below average player not worthy of being a starter long term. He's proven that 6 years running now. The fact it's taken him till his 7th season in the league to be a starter without an injury provoking it at his position is a testament to how bad he is.

I wouldn't draft guard at #1 either. But I also won't be upset we didn't give Geoff ****ing Schwartz $5 mil. He's no more special than Johnson or Linkenbach. They're all average at best players and more career backups than starters. I wouldn't give any of them $5 mil so if push came to shove I'd choose the cheaper options which we did.

This is silly.

What's with this six years line? He was drafted in 2009. He missed the entire 2011 season with an injury. He's played in only four seasons thus far. I have no clue why you're counting 2014 already when the draft hasn't even happened yet. He just received a four-year starter's contract with the Giants a month or so ago. That means the supposed sixth year (the fifth, really) puts an end to his team-bouncing.

So he was a ROOKIE in 2009. He started three games. In 2010 he started ALL SIXTEEN GAMES for the Panthers. Did he suck? I don't know, I'm not a Carolina Panthers historian. What I do know is that the team penciled him in as the starter for 2011 as well before he got injured. When he went to the Vikings, it was for one year, and also probably because he wasn't yet quite over his injury.

When he got to Kansas City and was plugged in as the swing G/T, it wasn't enough for you that he started 7 games and did well? That career I just described in more detail is more important than actually LOOKING at how he played for the Chiefs? Is Priest Holmes' career with the Ravens all that mattered when he came to KC just because when averaged out it's pretty mediocre? That's why averaging his CURRENT value over the arc of his career is an extremely misleading statistic. On that note, Alex Smith's production at the end of last year means nothing because he was so terrible the first 5 years in the league! No, the fact that Schwartz played decently enough in 2013 to impress enough teams to bid for his services as a starting OG doesn't matter, because he averaged 6 snaps a game for his career!

And look, you've got me defending Schwartz more than I should just because you're being so obtuse about this. You're doing more than just trying to tell people that Schwartz is easily replaceable (which is a totally reasonable argument). You're making it out to be that he's the exact same thing as Jeff Linkenbach and any other garbage backup offensive lineman from another team. The two players are COMPLETELY different. One guy has demonstrated that he can play well, and the other hasn't. That's the difference between the two players, if you really didn't know.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by -King-

How the hell can you tell that? Schwarz only came in as an extra lineman or during field goals that year. He had less than 10 snaps in the majority of games that season.

Schwartz is terribly overrated on this forum. He's not even an average guard. There's a reason he's started more than 3 games only twice in his career.

We're not overrating Svhwartz, based on his play in KC, he showed he can start and play well. He had nagging injuries in the past and politics, which limited his playing time. However, when he played, he played well. He played himself into a starters role last season. Ill take that type of player any day.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by TEX

We're not overrating Svhwartz, based on his play in KC, he showed he can start and play well. He had nagging injuries in the past and politics, which limited his playing time. However, when he played, he played well. He played himself into a starters role last season. Ill take that type of player any day.

He played well when everybody played well. Even Fisher played well the last few games of the season when he started. The whole offense was playing well. Like I've said many times before. It's not a coincidence that Geoff Schwartz has been a backup his whole career. It's not some conspiracy. It's that he's not good enough to beat out starters. It took an injury to Asamoah for him to start here. It took a injuries for him to start in Carolina, and he allowed 6 sacks that year.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by -King-

He played well when everybody played well. Even Fisher played well the last few games of the season when he started. The whole offense was playing well. Like I've said many times before. It's not a coincidence that Geoff Schwartz has been a backup his whole career. It's not some conspiracy. It's that he's not good enough to beat out starters. It took an injury to Asamoah for him to start here. It took a injuries for him to start in Carolina, and he allowed 6 sacks that year.

You need to get your facts straight. Please see SNR's post. Explains it very well. Also, do some research on his time in Minnesota. You might be surprised by the politics of his playing situation.

By your thought criteria, no player can ever improve. Schwartz was indeed signed as depth but he played his way into the starting lineup as supported by the fact that he remained the starter even when Asuckmoa was healthy. Contrary to what you believe, players do improve.

I respect your opinion, I just have a different one.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by TEX

We're not overrating Svhwartz, based on his play in KC, he showed he can start and play well. He had nagging injuries in the past and politics, which limited his playing time. However, when he played, he played well. He played himself into a starters role last season. Ill take that type of player any day.

thats because competiton at positions and a player earning a starting spot without it being gifted to him rarely happens on the Chiefs

Schwartz beat out a 3rd round Pioli lineman pick who was overrated on this forum for years, and Schwartz came in and proved that. Thats why people like Schwartz he came in and beat out a starter.

Who does Joe Mays have to beat out? Who does Sanders Commings have to beat out? who does anyone at RG have to beat out?

We have ****in nobodies at a lot of positions