Rishaw Johnson penciled in as RG starter

[The Franchise]

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The Chiefs have penciled in Rishaw Johnson as their starting right guard.

Signed off Kansas City's practice squad last September, Johnson showed promise in a Week 17 spot start against San Diego. The Seahawks were also high on Johnson at one point during his 2012 undrafted rookie season. The Chiefs have a ton of holes to fill on the offensive line after losing key guards Geoff Schwartz and Jon Asamoah, as well at left tackle Branden Albert in free agency.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by -King-

How the hell can you tell that? Schwarz only came in as an extra lineman or during field goals that year. He had less than 10 snaps in the majority of games that season.

Schwartz is terribly overrated on this forum. He's not even an average guard. There's a reason he's started more than 3 games only twice in his career.

We're not overrating Svhwartz, based on his play in KC, he showed he can start and play well. He had nagging injuries in the past and politics, which limited his playing time. However, when he played, he played well. He played himself into a starters role last season. Ill take that type of player any day.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by SNR

Not everything can be said about a player in his resume, dude. I don't know why you, Sac, and sapho are making such a big deal about the "Four teams in four yearsssszzzz!!!!" crap. He's STARTED games before he came to us as a reserve lineman. When he came here as a reserve lineman, he played WELL for us. Does any other shit ****ing matter other than that? When James Harrison got his first starts for the Steelers, did they give a shit about his up-and-down resume before looking to him for the next season?

That doesn't even make sense. So because he played well for 8 snaps a game as a 6th lineman and field goal blocker, that means he's really a good player and he could turn out to be James Harrison? No, it's really because he couldn't beat out a bunch of players and when he was asked to start a full season, he was below average.

I don't care if he came in as just a guy. When he played for us, it was okay. He wasn't this massive ****up like Linkenbach has only ever been his entire career with the Colts.

Of course not, because he was NEVER asked to do what Linkenbach did. If Linkenbach was only asked to play 8 snaps a game as a 6th lineman, he wouldn't look too bad either.

We KNOW what Schwartz is, and that's consistency. That's his entire value. It's not Will Shields, but he doesn't need to be. He doesn't even need to be a top 10 guard, which he's not. That's all I or anybody has ever said about him. I fail to see how that in any way is overrating the player.

You are right. He's consistently been a below average player not worthy of being a starter long term. He's proven that 6 years running now. The fact it's taken him till his 7th season in the league to be a starter without an injury provoking it at his position is a testament to how bad he is.

And if you want to still call it overrating, then I'd rather overrate Schwartz than draft guard at #1, and I'd rather start Schwartz than Rishaw Johnson or Jeff Linkenbach.

I wouldn't draft guard at #1 either. But I also won't be upset we didn't give Geoff ****ing Schwartz $5 mil. He's no more special than Johnson or Linkenbach. They're all average at best players and more career backups than starters. I wouldn't give any of them $5 mil so if push came to shove I'd choose the cheaper options which we did.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by TEX

We're not overrating Svhwartz, based on his play in KC, he showed he can start and play well. He had nagging injuries in the past and politics, which limited his playing time. However, when he played, he played well. He played himself into a starters role last season. Ill take that type of player any day.

He played well when everybody played well. Even Fisher played well the last few games of the season when he started. The whole offense was playing well. Like I've said many times before. It's not a coincidence that Geoff Schwartz has been a backup his whole career. It's not some conspiracy. It's that he's not good enough to beat out starters. It took an injury to Asamoah for him to start here. It took a injuries for him to start in Carolina, and he allowed 6 sacks that year.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by -King-

That doesn't even make sense. So because he played well for 8 snaps a game as a 6th lineman and field goal blocker, that means he's really a good player and he could turn out to be James Harrison? No, it's really because he couldn't beat out a bunch of players and when he was asked to start a full season, he was below average.

Of course not, because he was NEVER asked to do what Linkenbach did. If Linkenbach was only asked to play 8 snaps a game as a 6th lineman, he wouldn't look too bad either.

You are right. He's consistently been a below average player not worthy of being a starter long term. He's proven that 6 years running now. The fact it's taken him till his 7th season in the league to be a starter without an injury provoking it at his position is a testament to how bad he is.

I wouldn't draft guard at #1 either. But I also won't be upset we didn't give Geoff ****ing Schwartz $5 mil. He's no more special than Johnson or Linkenbach. They're all average at best players and more career backups than starters. I wouldn't give any of them $5 mil so if push came to shove I'd choose the cheaper options which we did.

This is silly.

What's with this six years line? He was drafted in 2009. He missed the entire 2011 season with an injury. He's played in only four seasons thus far. I have no clue why you're counting 2014 already when the draft hasn't even happened yet. He just received a four-year starter's contract with the Giants a month or so ago. That means the supposed sixth year (the fifth, really) puts an end to his team-bouncing.

So he was a ROOKIE in 2009. He started three games. In 2010 he started ALL SIXTEEN GAMES for the Panthers. Did he suck? I don't know, I'm not a Carolina Panthers historian. What I do know is that the team penciled him in as the starter for 2011 as well before he got injured. When he went to the Vikings, it was for one year, and also probably because he wasn't yet quite over his injury.

When he got to Kansas City and was plugged in as the swing G/T, it wasn't enough for you that he started 7 games and did well? That career I just described in more detail is more important than actually LOOKING at how he played for the Chiefs? Is Priest Holmes' career with the Ravens all that mattered when he came to KC just because when averaged out it's pretty mediocre? That's why averaging his CURRENT value over the arc of his career is an extremely misleading statistic. On that note, Alex Smith's production at the end of last year means nothing because he was so terrible the first 5 years in the league! No, the fact that Schwartz played decently enough in 2013 to impress enough teams to bid for his services as a starting OG doesn't matter, because he averaged 6 snaps a game for his career!

And look, you've got me defending Schwartz more than I should just because you're being so obtuse about this. You're doing more than just trying to tell people that Schwartz is easily replaceable (which is a totally reasonable argument). You're making it out to be that he's the exact same thing as Jeff Linkenbach and any other garbage backup offensive lineman from another team. The two players are COMPLETELY different. One guy has demonstrated that he can play well, and the other hasn't. That's the difference between the two players, if you really didn't know.

[saphojunkie]

So, the guy misses an entire season for injury, and we're just supposed to dismiss that? That's an outlier?

Great, I can't wait to tell Kelce and Commings the good news...

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

So, the guy misses an entire season for injury, and we're just supposed to dismiss that? That's an outlier?

Great, I can't wait to tell Kelce and Commings the good news...

He missed an entire season in 2011. Before that he was a starter. When he came to Kansas City, it was as a depth guy. The potential for being burned was extremely minimal if he actually was an injury prone player.

Kelce and Commings were rookies when they had season enders. It would be A-okay if we weren't depending on them for starter production, so we could at least see if they're any good at all before putting them in as starters. That remains to be seen if we'll have that luxury or not this training camp.

Yes, there is a significant difference.

[The Franchise]

Not only was he a rookie in 2009 but he was a 7th round pick. And the year that he started 16 games for the Panthers....Clausen was QB. So it's not like he was blocking for 3 seconds and then the ball was out. He was blocking for a rookie QB on a shit team.

[saphojunkie]

Geoff Schwartz is a turd. Rishaw Johnson is a turd. Xavier Sua-filet of fish is a turd.

All guards are turds. That's why they're so replaceable.

**** em.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Zach Martin is very much in play for pick 23.

Just think about it. We have little else behind Fisher and Stephenson, Allen sucks, RG is unsettled, and Martin can fit into any of those positions to become Andy Reid's next Evan Mathis. Both Reid and Dorsey love versatility in their OL players. It's too good to be true for them if Martin falls to 23.

Sweet, because Andy Reid drafted Evan Mathis IN THE THIRD ROUND.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by planetdoc

I'm not sure if anyone is implying it, but I want to make it clear that Rishaw Johnson is very athletic, and not just a "bum" because he wasnt drafted by the chiefs.



Rishaw Johnson also has 35.25" arms, and 10.25" hands
while Xavier has 33.375" arms, and 9.375" hands

KEEP ****ING DOUBTING RISHAW JOHNSON

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Geoff Schwartz is a turd. Rishaw Johnson is a turd. Xavier Sua-filet of fish is a turd.

All guards are turds. That's why they're so replaceable.

**** em.

I can get behind this.

If Goodell wanted to really make the game of football better, he'd get rid of the guard position completely.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Sweet, because Andy Reid drafted Evan Mathis IN THE THIRD ROUND.

That's funny. Since when was Andy Reid Head Coach and GM of the Carolina Panthers?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

That's funny. Since when was Andy Reid Head Coach and GM of the Carolina Panthers?

Oh snap...

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

That's funny. Since when was Andy Reid Head Coach and GM of the Carolina Panthers?

My bad. He was drafted in the third round. Not by Reid. My error.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by -King-

He played well when everybody played well. Even Fisher played well the last few games of the season when he started. The whole offense was playing well. Like I've said many times before. It's not a coincidence that Geoff Schwartz has been a backup his whole career. It's not some conspiracy. It's that he's not good enough to beat out starters. It took an injury to Asamoah for him to start here. It took a injuries for him to start in Carolina, and he allowed 6 sacks that year.

You need to get your facts straight. Please see SNR's post. Explains it very well. Also, do some research on his time in Minnesota. You might be surprised by the politics of his playing situation.

By your thought criteria, no player can ever improve. Schwartz was indeed signed as depth but he played his way into the starting lineup as supported by the fact that he remained the starter even when Asuckmoa was healthy. Contrary to what you believe, players do improve.

I respect your opinion, I just have a different one.