Overdrafted/Underdrafted

[O.city]

Had an idea about a thread today at lunch. Was having a turkey sandwich, with Swiss cheese and spicy mustard. Started thinking "Spicy mustard is underrated, gets passed over alot".

So here we go.

What prospect do you think will get passed over due to some condition (small frame, short, slow footed etc) and end up being the best player? What player are teams going to look back on 5 years from now and think "damn, we whiffed on that one"?

Conversely, what player will be the opposite?

My pick for the overdrafted will be Dee Ford. I think he's being highly overrated. (Jake Matthews too)

For the looked over, I'm gonna go with Dom Easley. If he's healthy, I think he's potentially the best DT not named Aaron Donald in this or the past few drafts.

[OldSchool]

Jarvis Landry and Allen Robinson for the WRs. You could throw Jordan Matthews in there too because, despite the fact that he ran really fast at the combine, there is still the perception that he is too slow to create separation at the next level.

Overdrafted for WRs is going to be Kelvin Benjamin and Marquise Lee.

[O.city]

Why Lee?

I'm more of the opinion that injuries and QB play affected him more than anything, but I'm open to conversation.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by O.city

Why Lee?

I'm more of the opinion that injuries and QB play affected him more than anything, but I'm open to conversation.

12% drops, can't blame all of that on the QB. Of all of the top WRs (Watkins, Evans, Beckham JR, Cooks, Lee, Benjamin) Lee and Benjamin are the two that I am most wary of; they each have a very high chance of busting at the next level, significantly higher than the others.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

12% drops, can't blame all of that on the QB. Of all of the top WRs (Watkins, Evans, Beckham JR, Cooks, Lee, Benjamin) Lee and Benjamin are the two that I am most wary of; they each have a very high chance of busting at the next level, significantly higher than the others.

Between the injury, the QB and the fact that I dont' believe he's had drop issues in the past, I think you can look past it.

He's a very good route runner, with normally good hands and good speed. Seems to have alot of Marvin Harrison type skills. I don't think he'll have as high of a bust rate as Benjamin.

I think Watkins has a higher chance than people think. WR's that short tend to struggle.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by O.city

Between the injury, the QB and the fact that I dont' believe he's had drop issues in the past, I think you can look past it.

He's a very good route runner, with normally good hands and good speed. Seems to have alot of Marvin Harrison type skills. I don't think he'll have as high of a bust rate as Benjamin.

I think Watkins has a higher chance than people think. WR's that short tend to struggle.

You mean Cooks? Sure, he'll struggle if you expect him to be your primary perimeter target, but if you use him in his best capacity as a slot WR, his production could match Wes Welker and Victor Cruz in the right system. He is actually superior in speed and quickness compared to both of those guys.

I'd take Jordan Matthews and Allen Robinson over Kelvin Benjamin in a heartbeat.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

You mean Cooks? Sure, he'll struggle if you expect him to be your primary perimeter target, but if you use him in his best capacity as a slot WR, his production could match Wes Welker and Victor Cruz in the right system. He is actually superior in speed and quickness compared to both of those guys.

I'd take Jordan Matthews and Allen Robinson over Kelvin Benjamin in a heartbeat.

No, I mean Watkins.

I know it's against popular belief, but I'm not sure he's that skilled as a WR. He's supremely talented and I think he's best used as a Percy Harvin type player, but at Clemson I didn't really see him do alot of "WR" things other than 9's, screens and the occasional crossing route.

[O.city]

Thats also why I'd take Beckham over just about any WR in this draft (other than Watkins with his skillset) in an Andy Reid offense.

People were gaga over potentially bringing in Desean. Beckham could be that type of player.

[OldSchool]

I agree with Ford being highly overrated, I would take Attaochu over him without hesitation.

Attaochu is my pick for underdrafted at the OLB position. However, I would not be surprised at all to see him go in the 1st.

Overrated ILB, Mosley. Really hope he goes ahead of us so that someone good can fall to us.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

I agree with Ford being highly overrated, I would take Attaochu over him without hesitation.

Attaochu is my pick for underdrafted at the OLB position. However, I would not be surprised at all to see him go in the 1st.

Overrated ILB, Mosley. Really hope he goes ahead of us so that someone good can fall to us.

I'm torn on Mosley.

Mentally, he's as good as they come. Physically, I dunno.

I wouldn't be upset at all if we took Attaochu. He's a stud.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

You mean Cooks? Sure, he'll struggle if you expect him to be your primary perimeter target, but if you use him in his best capacity as a slot WR, his production could match Wes Welker and Victor Cruz in the right system. He is actually superior in speed and quickness compared to both of those guys.

I'd take Jordan Matthews and Allen Robinson over Kelvin Benjamin in a heartbeat.

I haven't watched much on Robinson, I know Sorter likes him though.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by O.city

No, I mean Watkins.

I know it's against popular belief, but I'm not sure he's that skilled as a WR. He's supremely talented and I think he's best used as a Percy Harvin type player, but at Clemson I didn't really see him do alot of "WR" things other than 9's, screens and the occasional crossing route.

Watkins is 6'1" tall and over 200 pounds. He's bigger than Lee with longer arms and better hands. How is he going to struggle because of his measurables?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Watkins is 6'1" tall and over 200 pounds. He's bigger than Lee with longer arms and better hands. How is he going to struggle because of his measurables?

Again, I think right now he's just a super athlete that plays wr.

Granted you can teach him the nuances of playing wr, but I think Lee is more advanced at that now.

[Saccopoo]

Underdrafted: Ryan Carrethers, DT; Arkansas State
- The guy got better every single season and is very instinctive on the field. Supposedly has a great work ethic, is strong as an ox and is a former wrestler - which helps win those leverage battles in the trenches. (Other notable DT ex-wrestlers - Ted Washington and Kelly Gregg.) Massive and thick. Had the most tackles in a single game by any defensive lineman in college this past season (16) and was able to generate pressure and collapse the pocket even when double and tripled team. Absolutely fills the void and is effective both one and two gapping. He was a one man gang for the Red Wolves and should really benefit by associative talent at the next level. NFL equivalent: Casey Hampton

Overdrafted: Freddy Bilgewater, QB; Louisville
- Has bad feet and a really poor release (half cocks his arm and throws at ear level) to go along with a small/thin frame. Has poor velocity on deep throws and tends to really put his body into those type of throws (Jimmy Clausen did the same thing at the same level). Tends to lock onto a receiver and forgets about his progression tree. Accurate and athletic though, which has got him by nicely at the college level. NFL equivalent: Todd Blackledge.

[kccrow]

Underdrafted: WR Jordan Matthews - Vanderbilt ... The guy is basically a prototype at WR yet he keeps sliding down draft boards because of a glorified all star game. Blah, whatever, I'll take the guy that lit up the SEC his entire career any day of the week.

Overdrafted: QB Teddy Bridgewater - Louisville ... If a team takes him in the first round they'll be sorry. A 20 on the Wonderlic, poor mechanics, won't be able to play in the cold, softy, etc. He's a flop that will happen.