Chiefs Bob Sutton - Page 6

milkman · 05-07-2014, 08:32 AM

I have asked this in threads before, and I get no legitimate response, so I am going to start this thread.

Over and over, and over again, people keep saying that Sutton made no adjustments, and is responsible for the failures of this defense.

I have no dog in this, but I want to know, what exactly do you think he could do?

This defense was playing spectacularly for the first 5-6 games, but then Buffalo, Houston and the Donkeys had enough film to recognize that they could exploit the deep zones because Kendrick Lewis was almost always in the wrong place, and they adjusted their game plans to take full advantage.

Sutton tried to counter that by moving the corners off the line, which allowed offenses to exploit the short passing game and minimize the pass rush, which was also affected by the loss of Houston to injury, and a less than 100% Hali.

The one critisism that is completely valid is that Sutton did not utilize a rotaion on the line that kept Poe fresh, and he was not the same player for the 2nd half of the season that he was for the first half, because he was just worn out.

So, again, I ask, given the limitations of the talent, what exactly did you expect Sutton to do?

Dayze · 05-07-2014, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

CJ Mosley is NOTHING like Nico Johnson. Holy shit man.

as a Bama fan, I agree.

though, I do like Nico. very smart player.

BryanBusby · 05-07-2014, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm really torn on this.

I keep going back and forth between Jimmy Ward and Kyle Van Noy, but I think I've settled on Ward, and finding that ILB in the 3rd.

While I'm kinda torn on wanting a more capable coverage back, man Shayne Skov would be a nice get in the 3rd round. Dude is mean as **** and his blitzing ability would give Bob Sutton a lot to work with.

splatbass · 05-07-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I have asked this in threads before, and I get no legitimate response, so I am going to start this thread.

Over and over, and over again, people keep saying that Sutton made no adjustments, and is responsible for the failures of this defense.

I have no dog in this, but I want to know, what exactly do you think he could do?

This defense was playing spectacularly for the first 5-6 games, but then Buffalo, Houston and the Donkeys had enough film to recognize that they could exploit the deep zones because Kendrick Lewis was almost always in the wrong place, and they adjusted their game plans to take full advantage.

Sutton tried to counter that by moving the corners off the line, which allowed offenses to exploit the short passing game and minimize the pass rush, which was also affected by the loss of Houston to injury, and a less than 100% Hali.

The one critisism that is completely valid is that Sutton did not utilize a rotaion on the line that kept Poe fresh, and he was not the same player for the 2nd half of the season that he was for the first half, because he was just worn out.

I agree with all of this. I don't think Sutton is the problem. If they can get him some more pieces and the D still doesn't improve then maybe it will be time to reassess, but as of now I think he did the best that could be done with what he had to work with.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-07-2014, 03:37 PM

I know Kendrick Lewis is the easy scapegoat here, and don't get me wrong - he was a trainwreck...

But this defense started sucking when the pass rush disappeared - BEFORE Hali and Houston were injured. Without a pass rush, Sutton's schemes don't work.

ThaVirus · 05-07-2014, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I know Kendrick Lewis is the easy scapegoat here, and don't get me wrong - he was a trainwreck...

But this defense started sucking when the pass rush disappeared - BEFORE Hali and Houston were injured. Without a pass rush, Sutton's schemes don't work.

That's true. A lot of people like to say it started week 11 when we played Denver (and kicked off the rough part of our schedule) but, if I'm remembering correctly, we had trouble getting to Campbell when we played the Browns and got absolutely torched by Jeff ****ing Tuel in Buffalo.

Without being able to watch the film I can't even begin to guess why we saw such a sudden decline in pass rush.

staylor26 · 05-07-2014, 03:44 PM

Dorsey talked in his press conference about the difference from year one to two and he specifically mentioned that now he understands that the traditional 3-4 DE's (two 5techs) is a thing of the past and in Sutton's scheme you gotta have a 3tech and a 5tech. We didn't have that last season and now with Vance and a second year Catapano our Dline is better suited for Sutton's scheme. I think this will make just as much of a difference as replacing Kendrick and Demps (who was also pretty bad towards the end of the season).

ThaVirus · 05-07-2014, 03:44 PM

Kendrick is still dog shit though..

BryanBusby · 05-07-2014, 03:45 PM

It started when Dontari Poe began to tire out with the ridiculous amount of snaps he played in 2013.

**notorious** · 05-07-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

It started when Dontari Poe began to tire out with the ridiculous amount of snaps he played in 2013.

This.

milkman · 05-07-2014, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

It started when Dontari Poe began to tire out with the ridiculous amount of snaps he played in 2013.

Exactly, and he began to wear down by week 5.

Halfcan · 05-07-2014, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

It started when Dontari Poe began to tire out with the ridiculous amount of snaps he played in 2013.

Yep being double and triple teamed while being held every play will do that to you.

Sutton shouldn't be held responsible for all the missed tackles- I think we missed 14 in the first donk game. Hell we couldn't tackle the Colts either-It was like Pros Vs. the Joes.

**dannybcaitlyn** · 05-07-2014, 04:59 PM

I've posted my displeasure for sutton many times on here and I'm not going to go deep into it again, but I'll make a prediction, which is that we'll be calling for his head when its all said and done this season.

OldSchool · 05-07-2014, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

CJ Mosley is NOTHING like Nico Johnson. Holy shit man.

And Rolando McClain was the next big thing.

Sorry, but the best LBs in the league right now are athletic phenoms. If we take one in the 1st he better be a 4.4-4.5 guy with great instincts like a Patrick Willis or Luke Kuechley.

Jimmya · 05-07-2014, 07:06 PM

Agree with danny 100000%

FloridaMan88 · 05-07-2014, 07:28 PM

Sutton is to defensive linemen what Dusty Baker is to starting pitchers.

05-07-2014, 08:32 AM
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Bob Sutton I have asked this in threads before, and I get no legitimate response, so I am going to start this thread. Over and over, and over again, people keep saying that Sutton made no adjustments, and is responsible for the failures of this defense. I have no dog in this, but I want to know, what exactly do you think he could do? This defense was playing spectacularly for the first 5-6 games, but then Buffalo, Houston and the Donkeys had enough film to recognize that they could exploit the deep zones because Kendrick Lewis was almost always in the wrong place, and they adjusted their game plans to take full advantage. Sutton tried to counter that by moving the corners off the line, which allowed offenses to exploit the short passing game and minimize the pass rush, which was also affected by the loss of Houston to injury, and a less than 100% Hali. The one critisism that is completely valid is that Sutton did not utilize a rotaion on the line that kept Poe fresh, and he was not the same player for the 2nd half of the season that he was for the first half, because he was just worn out. So, again, I ask, given the limitations of the talent, what exactly did you expect Sutton to do?
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	I know Kendrick Lewis is the easy scapegoat here, and don't get me wrong - he was a trainwreck... But this defense started sucking when the pass rush disappeared - BEFORE Hali and Houston were injured. Without a pass rush, Sutton's schemes don't work.
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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2160960	Dorsey talked in his press conference about the difference from year one to two and he specifically mentioned that now he understands that the traditional 3-4 DE's (two 5techs) is a thing of the past and in Sutton's scheme you gotta have a 3tech and a 5tech. We didn't have that last season and now with Vance and a second year Catapano our Dline is better suited for Sutton's scheme. I think this will make just as much of a difference as replacing Kendrick and Demps (who was also pretty bad towards the end of the season).
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BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3159900 VARSITY	It started when Dontari Poe began to tire out with the ridiculous amount of snaps he played in 2013.
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dannybcaitlyn Supporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Casino cash: $3194000	I've posted my displeasure for sutton many times on here and I'm not going to go deep into it again, but I'll make a prediction, which is that we'll be calling for his head when its all said and done this season.
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FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-787094	Sutton is to defensive linemen what Dusty Baker is to starting pitchers.
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