Chiefs Chiefs open to trading Flowers - Page 9

**The Franchise** · 05-06-2014, 09:24 AM

Dan Pompei of Bleacher Report reports the Chiefs "are believed to be willing to deal" CB Brandon Flowers.

Flowers struggled mightily in DC Bob Sutton's press-man scheme last season, grading out as a bottom-15 cover corner at Pro Football Focus. He allowed a 66.7 percent completion rate, 846 yards, and four touchdowns in his coverage, while QBs had a 103.9 rating throwing at him. Flowers has three years left on a six-year, $49.35 million deal and may be difficult to move. At 5-foot-9 and 187 pounds, he's best suited to fill the slot role. He somehow made the Pro Bowl last season.

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htismaqe · 05-08-2014, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc

I dont think he is any worse than Joe Flacco or Eli Manning....and their teams were able to win a superbowl with them.

I don't think he has the mental makeup that those guys do. At all.

Mr. Laz · 05-08-2014, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I'd prefer not to do business with the 9ers if at all possible. Those guys fisted us on the Alex Smith trade..

I hope it's just the 49ers and not Dorsey.

i imagine the Chiefs would love to move Flowers for a 3rd and would jizz if they could get a 2nd.

boogblaster · 05-08-2014, 12:10 PM

NO ....

ThaVirus · 05-08-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

Smith provided a LOT more value this year than Flowers did.

If you think Chiefs got fisted, then why not look at this as getting even?

He's a QB, of course he did. But his value compared to Flowers last season means nothing in this debate.

We have up a 2.1 and another 2nd rounder in "TEH DEEPIST DRAFT THE LAST 20 YEEEZ!!!" for a guy that was probably worth no more than a 3rd at the time.

saphojunkie · 05-08-2014, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I dont mind trading Flowers at all.

However it would be criminally stupid to trade Eric Berry unless it's some kind of ridiculous deal like a top 10 pick this year, someone's first next yr and a 2nd or 3rd the following year.

Which that would never happen....so therefore it's stupid as shit to trade Eric Berry.

I don't want to trade Berry, either, but that's just ridiculous. Two firsts and a second?

King_Chief_Fan · 05-08-2014, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

He's a QB, of course he did. But his value compared to Flowers last season means nothing in this debate.

We have up a 2.1 and another 2nd rounder in "TEH DEEPIST DRAFT THE LAST 20 YEEEZ!!!" for a guy that was probably worth no more than a 3rd at the time.

His $ for a QB vs. Flowers $ for a DB.......was money well spent for the QB, not so much for Flowers

ThaVirus · 05-08-2014, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

His $ for a QB vs. Flowers $ for a DB.......was money well spent for the QB, not so much for Flowers

If the playoff game is any indication, that money was extremely well deserved.

jd1020 · 05-08-2014, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'll take their 3rd.

It's best to draft a CB round 1, stand firm at your asking price for a #2, and ultimately end up with a 2018 comp pick.

Ebolapox · 05-08-2014, 12:51 PM

newsflash: chiefs open to shitting down their legs year after year.

**The Franchise** · 05-08-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

It's best to draft a CB round 1, stand firm at your asking price for a #2, and ultimately end up with a 2018 comp pick.

Chiefnj2 · 05-08-2014, 01:04 PM

People put too much stock into PFF's final grade.

Flowers had the toughest assignments of any of KC's corners. Cooper and Smith gave up more TD's. Flowers IIRC got beaten pretty bad by Dez Bryant, but held his own against other top WRs. He held DJax to 3 receptions, Welker to 3 in the 2nd matchup. Not much help over the top, etc.

They will need to restructure his deal for next year, but to act like some 3rd+ round draft pick is going to come in and easily replace him is just a pipe dream.

WhiteWhale · 05-08-2014, 01:05 PM

Flowers is a bad fit for Sutton's D.

He's not fast enough to cover man on man with no safety help and that seems to be pretty much the coverage Sutton runs more often than not.

Chiefnj2 · 05-08-2014, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Flowers is a bad fit for Sutton's D.

He's not fast enough to cover man on man with no safety help and that seems to be pretty much the coverage Sutton runs more often than not.

Sutton asked him to shadow some of the most productive receivers last year. Except for Bryant, he did pretty well.

Prison Bitch · 05-08-2014, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

while QBs had a 103.9 rating throwing at him. Flowers has three years left on a six-year, $49.35 million deal and may be difficult to move.

So basically, Flowers turned QBs into Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers last year. Despite playing on a team with one of the easiest schedules in the NFL.

Oh - and he's constantly hurt and makes a lot of money and he's old for a corner. Yeah I'd say every team wants a guy just like that at LCB.

Mr. Laz · 05-08-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

People put too much stock into PFF's final grade.

Flowers had the toughest assignments of any of KC's corners. Cooper and Smith gave up more TD's. Flowers IIRC got beaten pretty bad by Dez Bryant, but held his own against other top WRs. He held DJax to 3 receptions, Welker to 3 in the 2nd matchup. Not much help over the top, etc.

They will need to restructure his deal for next year, but to act like some 3rd+ round draft pick is going to come in and easily replace him is just a pipe dream.

Smith and Cooper gave up more touchdowns because they were covering deep.

Flowers was playing the slot most of the year

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