Which QB will be the best pro?

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Not all of Vick's physical tools were superior. Outside of pure arm strength, Manziel is a better passer.

And you can't just throw out the mental makeup as if it's insignificant. What is between his ears is easily what separates Manziel from all of the other QBs in this draft, both good and bad.

Finally, he's not just a scrambling QB.

I find it very funny that so many here spend so much energy propping up Alex Smith while simultaneously tearing down Manziel. Tells me they didn't know much about Smith before he came to KC, didn't watch Manziel much in college, or a combination of both.

Using Alex Smith to sell Johnny would appear to be a losing strategy. Otherwise, I agree.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Using Alex Smith to sell Johnny would appear to be a losing strategy. Otherwise, I agree.

Coming out of college, Alex Smith had many of the same flaws that Manziel has. In fact, Smith was coming out of an Urban Meyer system, the same system that everybody's favorite whipping boy Tim Tebow came out of.

Outside of a handful of people, nobody here knows a damn thing about Alex Smith's first few years in San Francisco, let alone what kind of player he was at Utah.

But of course, he's the Chiefs QB now, so he's the awesome.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Coming out of college, Alex Smith had many of the same flaws that Manziel has. In fact, Smith was coming out of an Urban Meyer system, the same system that everybody's favorite whipping boy Tim Tebow came out of.

Outside of a handful of people, nobody here knows a damn thing about Alex Smith's first few years in San Francisco, let alone what kind of player he was at Utah.

But of course, he's the Chiefs QB now, so he's the awesome.

He started to be awesome after his shoulder injury was repaired and after they quit getting a new coach in there every year. But he's been consistent for the last 5 years, apart from some injuries.

It just seems like a hard sell if I'm the owner of a team, for a GM to come to me and say this guy is going to be healthy playing his game at the NFL level, the first one of his size to work out as a long term starter, do it while succeeding without ideal arm strength for an NFL QB, will learn to play the game a new way from how he's played it in the past, and either do it immediately or keep what seems to be a sizable ego in check while someone else plays.

It's not a question for me in that position like it is for a fan, do I think it's worth a shot. It's do I want to turn my franchise over to that chance for the next several years, or would I rather pick one of several other guys who seem to more closely fit the well-worn pattern of NFL QBs... Someone will take the chance, but it couldn't be very easy to tell a businessman that this is his best bet

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Cochise

It just seems like a hard sell if I'm the owner of a team, for a GM to come to me and say this guy is going to be healthy playing his game at the NFL level, the first one of his size to work out as a long term starter, do it while succeeding without ideal arm strength for an NFL QB, will learn to play the game a new way from how he's played it in the past, and either do it immediately or keep what seems to be a sizable ego in check while someone else plays.

Drew Brees did almost all of those things.

Originally Posted by Cochise

It's not a question for me in that position like it is for a fan, do I think it's worth a shot. It's do I want to turn my franchise over to that chance for the next several years, or would I rather pick one of several other guys who seem to more closely fit the well-worn pattern of NFL QBs... Someone will take the chance, but it couldn't be very easy to tell a businessman that this is his best bet

In business, those kinds of risks are what separates the millionaires and billionaires.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Drew Brees did almost all of those things.

I think it's pretty obvious that Brees' game coming out of college was a lot closer to the NFL QB mold

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Cochise

I think it's pretty obvious that Brees' game coming out of college was a lot closer to the NFL QB mold

Did you watch Brees in college?

He was one of the prototype's for the "spread QBs won't make it in the NFL" argument. He average like 5YPA for his first 2 years in the league and everybody (including me) declared him a bust.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Did you watch Brees in college?

He was one of the prototype's for the "spread QBs won't make it in the NFL" argument. He average like 5YPA for his first 2 years in the league and everybody (including me) declared him a bust.

I think that being a spread QB puts you behind on day one, but half of the division 1 programs out there are running spread offenses these days.