Chiefs Brandon Flowers done - Page 39

OldSchool · 09:35 PM

Just want to say thanks to the Hunt family for the 6years in Kansas City thanks to the fans and my teammates for some great years.
— Brandon Flowers (@BFlowers24) June 13, 2014

Sounds like Brandon Flowers has just been traded or released.
— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) June 13, 2014

Sounds like Brandon Flowers is out. Stay tuned
— Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) June 13, 2014

Detroit - a rumored destination for Brandon Flowers - just released Chris Houston, too.
— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) June 13, 2014

The #Chiefs have announced they’ve released cornerback Brandon Flowers.
— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) June 13, 2014

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Chiefs released CB Brandon Flowers.
Flowers' performance and usefulness in Kansas City slipped dramatically under new DC Bob Sutton last season, as a press-man scheme was installed in the secondary and Flowers failed to find a fit. He wound up mostly at slot corner, and was beaten relentlessly. The Chiefs were trying to trade Flowers, but found no takers for his contract. Flowers had some of the best years of his career under now-Texans DC Romeo Crennel, and cornerback depth is needed in Houston. We wouldn't be surprised to see them reunite. Flowers turned 28 in February.
Related: Texans, Chiefs
Jun 13 - 3:04 PM

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Chargers agreed to terms with CB Brandon Flowers on a one-year contract.
The deal is worth "up to" $5 million and contains $3 million in total guarantees. Despite an anemic 2013 season as a misfit in Bob Sutton's press-man scheme, Flowers found a full bushel of suitors after the Chiefs released him 11 days ago. He lands in a spot where he can immediately rehab his value as a starting corner and then hit the open market again at age 29. Flowers put plenty of really good tape together from 2008-12, and will add borderline Pro Bowl shadow ability to a pass defense that ranked 29th in the league last year. With first-round corner Jason Verrett also added to incumbents Shareece Wright and Richard Marshall, this won't be quite the unit to pick on that it was last season.

He's a Charger now.

Pasta Little Brioni · 06-15-2014, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't see anyone giving Flowers a pass for playing hurt most of the year.

Here come those double standards I was talking about earlier...

I have said that it's a bigger loss than people are trying to sell.

TEX · 06-15-2014, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

I have said that it's a bigger loss than people are trying to sell.

Im in this camp as well. Some of us did say that he played hurt all year and expect him to be in 2012 form. However, he will probably get banged up again this season. IMO, the Chiefs cut him a year too soon but I understand the economics of the situation. Its also better to drop a player a year early than a year late.

TEX · 06-15-2014, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

good pass rush is useless with some of these QBs that have a quick releases against shitty pass coverage.

see: Colts-Chiefs playoff game RE: Andrew Luck scoring touchdowns in 30 second drives

True. Made even worse once Flowers went down...

milkman · 06-15-2014, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I'd still rather have a decent pass rusher than a decent corner. If you're not getting pressure it really doesn't matter how great your corners are. And right now Flowers isn't close to great.
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Years ago, I would have been right there with you.

I did, in fact, argue that pass rushers, and the front 7 in general, was far more valuable than the secondary.

However, as the league has evolved into a passing league, what it has also evolved into is a yac lead.

2700 of Peyton Manning's 5500 passing yards came on yac.
Only 3 teams gained fewer than 1500 yards of yac.

That means that teams are getting the ball out quicker.

If your secondary doesn't makes stops after the catch, then you can kiss any chance of getting to the QB goodbye.

Seattle's defensive domination of the Donkeys illustrated that.

Seattle's pass rush came into play only after the Seahawks secondary shut down yac and forced Manning to start looking for bigger plays through the air, thus holding the ball for that second longer.

**Rausch** · 06-15-2014, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

By waiting until June 1, they can spread the cap hit over two seasons instead of absorbing it all this season.

I thought we were saving 7 of his 9 mil.

Are we really that worried about spreading 2 mil over 2 years?...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-15-2014, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Years ago, I would have been right there with you.

I did, in fact, argue that pass rushers, and the front 7 in general, was far more valuable than the secondary.

However, as the league has evolved into a passing league, what it has also evolved into is a yac lead.

2700 of Peyton Manning's 5500 passing yards came on yac.
Only 3 teams gained fewer than 1500 yards of yac.

That means that teams are getting the ball out quicker.

If your secondary doesn't makes stops after the catch, then you can kiss any chance of getting to the QB goodbye.

Seattle's defensive domination of the Donkeys illustrated that.

Seattle's pass rush came into play only after the Seahawks secondary shut down yac and forced Manning to start looking for bigger plays through the air, thus holding the ball for that second longer.

Rep.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-15-2014, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I thought we were saving 7 of his 9 mil.

Are we really that worried about spreading 2 mil over 2 years?...

I haven't looked at the particulars, just pointing out why teams generally wait until June.

-King- · 06-15-2014, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't see anyone giving Flowers a pass for playing hurt most of the year.

Here come those double standards I was talking about earlier...

Why do you think there's a double standard? I'm confused? Do you think people hate Flowers or something?

One player played well for a good chunk of the year last year and one only played well for 1 game. Flowers has been dealing with lingering injuries for 2 years now and isin a ddefense that's asking him to be more physical than he usually is and do things that even he didn't/doesn't want to do.
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milkman · 06-15-2014, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Why do you think there's a double standard? I'm confused? Do you think people hate Flowers or something?

One player played well for a good chunk of the year last year and one only played well for 1 game. Flowers has been dealing with lingering injuries for 2 years now and is in a defense that's asking him to be more physical than he usually is and do things that even he didn't/doesn't want to do.
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Are you serious?

BTW, FYP for clarity' sake.

TEX · 06-15-2014, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I thought we were saving 7 of his 9 mil.

Are we really that worried about spreading 2 mil over 2 years?...

When I first heard the news I wondered the same thing....However, King pointed out that it was the only way to save the $7MIL THIS season. I didnt do the research but that appears to be the deal.

-King- · 06-15-2014, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Are you serious?

BTW, FYP for clarity' sake.

He isn't being asked to be more physical? He has to play press more. He has to tackle more seeing as he'll be left alone by himself more often. He had 20 more tackles last year than he had any other year of his career. I don't think that's a fluke.
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RunKC · 06-15-2014, 08:37 AM

If Gaines is a stud it won't matter. Time to find out if Dorsey is as good as advertised.

Micjones · 06-15-2014, 08:38 AM

Chris Owens is a player of similar size and stature.
He's a good nickle corner who'll also contribute on special teams.
Owens is also slated to make less than a million dollars in 2014.

Trading Flowers was great in theory, but no one wanted that contract.
It's unfortunate, but there's not much else the front office could do.
Flowers isn't a press-man corner anyway. /theend

milkman · 06-15-2014, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

He isn't being asked to be more physical? He has to play press more. He has to tackle more seeing as he'll be left alone by himself more often. He had 20 more tackles last year than he had any other year of his career. I don't think that's a fluke.
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He is put in a position that he hasn't been in prior to last year, but he's been one of the most phyical corners in the league during his career.

TEX · 06-15-2014, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Years ago, I would have been right there with you.

I did, in fact, argue that pass rushers, and the front 7 in general, was far more valuable than the secondary.

However, as the league has evolved into a passing league, what it has also evolved into is a yac lead.

2700 of Peyton Manning's 5500 passing yards came on yac.
Only 3 teams gained fewer than 1500 yards of yac.

That means that teams are getting the ball out quicker.

If your secondary doesn't makes stops after the catch, then you can kiss any chance of getting to the QB goodbye.

Seattle's defensive domination of the Donkeys illustrated that.

Seattle's pass rush came into play only after the Seahawks secondary shut down yac and forced Manning to start looking for bigger plays through the air, thus holding the ball for that second longer.

This is exactly the case now. Both aspects are important, however their weighted importance has shifted with the evolution of the short passing game and supporting rule modifications.

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