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Old 06-13-2014, 01:01 PM  
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Chiefs released CB Brandon Flowers.
Flowers' performance and usefulness in Kansas City slipped dramatically under new DC Bob Sutton last season, as a press-man scheme was installed in the secondary and Flowers failed to find a fit. He wound up mostly at slot corner, and was beaten relentlessly. The Chiefs were trying to trade Flowers, but found no takers for his contract. Flowers had some of the best years of his career under now-Texans DC Romeo Crennel, and cornerback depth is needed in Houston. We wouldn't be surprised to see them reunite. Flowers turned 28 in February.
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Chargers agreed to terms with CB Brandon Flowers on a one-year contract.
The deal is worth "up to" $5 million and contains $3 million in total guarantees. Despite an anemic 2013 season as a misfit in Bob Sutton's press-man scheme, Flowers found a full bushel of suitors after the Chiefs released him 11 days ago. He lands in a spot where he can immediately rehab his value as a starting corner and then hit the open market again at age 29. Flowers put plenty of really good tape together from 2008-12, and will add borderline Pro Bowl shadow ability to a pass defense that ranked 29th in the league last year. With first-round corner Jason Verrett also added to incumbents Shareece Wright and Richard Marshall, this won't be quite the unit to pick on that it was last season.
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Old 06-15-2014, 02:28 PM   #616
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And Flowers wouldn't have been better than Owens or Gaines?

I just find it odd that when Flowers has a bad year, he deserves to be cut - but when other players making more money than their production dictates - and are older - the same folks change their opinion.
One of the two had to be cut to make room for Houston and/or Smith. Tamba Hali was the more productive of the two last year. So he gets to stay and Flowers gets the boot.

I don't see why that's hard to understand. For some reason in this thread you've acted like people hate Flowers and just wanted to see him gone.
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Old 06-15-2014, 02:47 PM   #617
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They waited to cut him because they wanted something in return for him and couldn't get it.

If traded, the team trading for his contract is only responsible for the remaining base salaries...meaning no nfl team was willing to give up anything for Brandon Flowers on a 3 year/18 million dollar deal...which is very affordable.

6/yr for a 27 year old pro bowl corner is NOTHING.

Which makes me think he has a medical issue that's scaring everyone away.
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Old 06-15-2014, 02:50 PM   #618
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One of the two had to be cut to make room for Houston and/or Smith. Tamba Hali was the more productive of the two last year. So he gets to stay and Flowers gets the boot.

I don't see why that's hard to understand. For some reason in this thread you've acted like people hate Flowers and just wanted to see him gone.
Because Flowers is one of our best defenders.

If they wanted to create cap space, they should have cut both kickers, Fasano and Daniel.

Losing those guys doesn't impact the team as much as losing Flowers and we have replacements in line already for them...or could get replacements as udfas
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:43 PM   #619
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Because Flowers is one of our best defenders.

If they wanted to create cap space, they should have cut both kickers, Fasano and Daniel.

Losing those guys doesn't impact the team as much as losing Flowers and we have replacements in line already for them...or could get replacements as udfas
This.

A 28 year old who has been nothing but great his entire career has one bad year, and people think he's washed up.

We have plenty of overpaid slapdicks we could have cut if it were only about money.
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:57 PM   #620
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Your road to success is UDFA corner backs?

Yes. Cornerback is not a position that you have to spend high draft picks on. Especially when you can get by with one trick pony types of CB's. The CB's that Seattle and KC are after wouldn't be great corner backs for teams that run a multitude of coverages. Therefore they fall.
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:59 PM   #621
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Milkman Earl Thomas(and the lb's) were cheating up vs Denver. Peyton Manning said it numerous times if you listened to his mic'd up portion. It wasn't a matter of them being phenom tacklers as much as it was their scheme recognizing that Denver wanted to dink and dunk so they were playing their zones toward the line.

Denver couldn't beat them over the top because they have Earl Thomas and a very good rotation of pass rush
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Old 06-15-2014, 05:09 PM   #622
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Milkman Earl Thomas(and the lb's) were cheating up vs Denver. Peyton Manning said it numerous times if you listened to his mic'd up portion. It wasn't a matter of them being phenom tacklers as much as it was their scheme recognizing that Denver wanted to dink and dunk so they were playing their zones toward the line.

Denver couldn't beat them over the top because they have Earl Thomas and a very good rotation of pass rush
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And considering the shit-show of QBs that Bowe has played with, his production has been pretty remarkable over his career.
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Because Flowers is one of our best defenders.
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If they wanted to create cap space, they should have cut both kickers, Fasano and Daniel.

Losing those guys doesn't impact the team as much as losing Flowers and we have replacements in line already for them...or could get replacements as udfas
Cutting all those guys combined don't add up to what we got by cutting Flowers alone. And no team cuts a bunch of other players just so they don't have to cut one under performing player.
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Cutting all those guys combined don't add up to what we got by cutting Flowers alone. And no team cuts a bunch of other players just so they don't have to cut one under performing player.
One poor season, due to a knee.
If healthy, he is still one of our best players.

As for those other players, with without Flowers even in the consideration, they're still overpaid and should be cut.
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In fairness, WR's depend on a QB to get them the ball. They can do everything right, be wide open, and the QB goes elsewhere with the ball.

While it's nice to have Houston opposite him, Hali doesn't require anything from him to sack the QB.
I disagree. A lot of Hali's sacks early in the season were chased our turned into Hali by Houston. When Houston left with injury, Hali's production went to shit.
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One poor season, due to a knee.
If healthy, he is still one of our best players.
Once again though. He's had lingering issues the past 2 seasons and doesn't fit what Dorsey and Sutton want in a CB.

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As for those other players, with without Flowers even in the consideration, they're still overpaid and should be cut.
Sure, but that doesn't mean you cut all of them at once just to save someone who doesn't even want to play in the system.
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I disagree. A lot of Hali's sacks early in the season were chased our turned into Hali by Houston. When Houston left with injury, Hali's production went to shit.
The pass rush disappeared because of Houston's injury and Poe's fatigue.
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Bowe's contract. I always forget about that.

In fairness, Alex likes to distribute the ball around so his receivers have never had gaudy stats... But ****ing a, dude. He's getting top 5 WR money when he deserved top 15 at best.

Shit. Remembering that deal really makes me cringe at the idea of Dorsey in negotiations with Houston and Smith. We're going to get taken to the woodshed.
Smith completely ignored Bowe for like the first 5 games whether he was open our not.

Personally I think it was b/c of the number of routes Bowe ran to the sideline, Alex's weakest area. Also early on it seemed like they used Bowe to draw coverage on a few decoy routes. Not an overwhelming amount, but passing downs none the less.
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