Brandon Flowers done

[OldSchool]

Just want to say thanks to the Hunt family for the 6years in Kansas City thanks to the fans and my teammates for some great years.

— Brandon Flowers (@BFlowers24) June 13, 2014

Sounds like Brandon Flowers has just been traded or released.

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) June 13, 2014

Sounds like Brandon Flowers is out. Stay tuned

— Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) June 13, 2014

Detroit - a rumored destination for Brandon Flowers - just released Chris Houston, too.

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) June 13, 2014

The #Chiefs have announced they’ve released cornerback Brandon Flowers.

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) June 13, 2014

Chiefs released CB Brandon Flowers.
Flowers' performance and usefulness in Kansas City slipped dramatically under new DC Bob Sutton last season, as a press-man scheme was installed in the secondary and Flowers failed to find a fit. He wound up mostly at slot corner, and was beaten relentlessly. The Chiefs were trying to trade Flowers, but found no takers for his contract. Flowers had some of the best years of his career under now-Texans DC Romeo Crennel, and cornerback depth is needed in Houston. We wouldn't be surprised to see them reunite. Flowers turned 28 in February.
Related: Texans, Chiefs
Jun 13 - 3:04 PM

Chargers agreed to terms with CB Brandon Flowers on a one-year contract.
The deal is worth "up to" $5 million and contains $3 million in total guarantees. Despite an anemic 2013 season as a misfit in Bob Sutton's press-man scheme, Flowers found a full bushel of suitors after the Chiefs released him 11 days ago. He lands in a spot where he can immediately rehab his value as a starting corner and then hit the open market again at age 29. Flowers put plenty of really good tape together from 2008-12, and will add borderline Pro Bowl shadow ability to a pass defense that ranked 29th in the league last year. With first-round corner Jason Verrett also added to incumbents Shareece Wright and Richard Marshall, this won't be quite the unit to pick on that it was last season.

He's a Charger now.

[nychief]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I am ****ing amazed that fans can watch competent talent walk out the door and still believe Dorsey is a solid GM.

We have two offseasons to judge and more talent has left 1 Arrowhead than has come in.

I was as big a backer of Dorsey as anyone here. I loved the hire. I loved his attitude and personality.

But he's a ****ing horrible GM. Just bad in the way herpes is bad...

I just think it is too early to say. He didn't create this cap situation (and yes, despite what some think...there is such a thing as the salary cap). I think you have to bring in young bodies, it's the NFL... and paying for past performance is death. Let's see what the young guys do, is all I'm saying.

[Snapplez]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Truth.

I also will never cut a pass rusher over a corner unless that corner is in the top 5 at his position.

I get what you're sayin, and I agree, that pass rushers are overall more important than corners, but simply pickin a pass rusher over a corner regardless ain't right. You gotta have the right balances at those positions, too. I would never take an Alex Magee over a Brandon Carr. Positional value simply cannot be the only determining factor. Talent must play a part as well.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I am ****ing amazed that fans can watch competent talent walk out the door and still believe Dorsey is a solid GM.

We have two offseasons to judge and more talent has left 1 Arrowhead than has come in.

I was as big a backer of Dorsey as anyone here. I loved the hire. I loved his attitude and personality.

But he's a ****ing horrible GM. Just bad in the way herpes is bad...

I guess I don't see all of this competent talent walking away you are so worried about. Branden Albert was a calculated move. For better or worse they drafted Fisher to take his spot beause they didn't feel he was worth the money he was asking for. I tend to agree with them.

McCluster will never live up to the contract Tennessee gave him and they drafted his replacement who has more raw talent than McCluster.

Tyson Jackson was replaced by a better player in Walker.

Schwartz is one guy I would have liked to have seen stay, but he was also brought in by Dorsey so that is a wash as far as talent brought in vs. talent walking away.

Flowers doesn't fit the defensive scheme that KC is running. He is a much better zone corner than press man corner. Cooper and Gaines are better suited to play press man than Flowers.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I guess I don't see all of this competent talent walking away you are so worried about. Branden Albert was a calculated move. For better or worse they drafted Fisher to take his spot beause they didn't feel he was worth the money he was asking for. I tend to agree with them.

McCluster will never live up to the contract Tennessee gave him and they drafted his replacement who has more raw talent than McCluster.

Tyson Jackson was replaced by a better player in Walker.

Schwartz is one guy I would have liked to have seen stay, but he was also brought in by Dorsey so that is a wash as far as talent brought in vs. talent walking away.

Flowers doesn't fit the defensive scheme that KC is running. He is a much better zone corner than press man corner. Cooper and Gaines are better suited to play press man than Flowers.

It's not so much about individual talent as the number of holes.

The Chiefs had several glaring holes entering the offseason. They chose to plug those spots with internal guys or draft picks or third tier FAs.

That's bad enough. But in addition to those holes, additional ones have opened up at LT, RT, RG, WR3 and now CB1/nickel slot CB. And again, the plan is internal guys or draft picks.

And it's not like the Chiefs had a plethora of premium draft picks (or draft picks, period).

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I guess I don't see all of this competent talent walking away you are so worried about. Branden Albert was a calculated move. For better or worse they drafted Fisher to take his spot beause they didn't feel he was worth the money he was asking for. I tend to agree with them.

The players we lost were better than the players we gained.

On top of that our areas of weakness weren't addressed at all (unless you consider our 3rd round pick. Who MIGHT have been better with a year of seasoning and weight training to get his frame up to NFL level. Now he's a MUST contribute day one after the cut of Flowers.)

Once you take the homer glasses off these are all money moves and have NOTHING to do with talent or projected production the following year...

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I am ****ing amazed that fans can watch competent talent walk out the door and still believe Dorsey is a solid GM.

We have two offseasons to judge and more talent has left 1 Arrowhead than has come in.

I was as big a backer of Dorsey as anyone here. I loved the hire. I loved his attitude and personality.

But he's a ****ing horrible GM. Just bad in the way herpes is bad...

I'll reserve judgement till after this season. It could also be that the talent we had leave was not really a reason for our success in his view, and he's comfortable with the moves\lack of moves this off season.

If the Chiefs are a bloody abortion this season, I'll agree with you on this. But I still think we gotta wait and see.

[The Franchise]

What's crazy to think about is that Carr probably would be a better fit in this scheme had we kept him over Flowers.

[Chiefnj2]

They should have had the balls to rebuild in year 1. Instead they give up 2 seconds for a veteran QB and basically waste a season trying to make a run. Waste in the big picture. It sold seats and keeps fans spending money for a few years, so in that sense it isn't a waste for the Hunt family.

They should have rebuilt by trading the older guys - Albert, Flowers, Hali, accumulating draft picks (trade down from the 1.1) and building from there.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They should have had the balls to rebuild in year 1. Instead they give up 2 seconds for a veteran QB and basically waste a season trying to make a run. Waste in the big picture. It sold seats and keeps fans spending money for a few years, so in that sense it isn't a waste for the Hunt family.

They should have rebuilt by trading the older guys - Albert, Flowers, Hali, accumulating draft picks (trade down from the 1.1) and building from there.

That would have equalled fan base implosion, considering the season prior. I dunno...I'm content to give them a shot.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Rausch

The players we lost were better than the players we gained.

On top of that our areas of weakness weren't addressed at all (unless you consider our 3rd round pick. Who MIGHT have been better with a year of seasoning and weight training to get his frame up to NFL level. Now he's a MUST contribute day one after the cut of Flowers.)

Once you take the homer glasses off these are all money moves and have NOTHING to do with talent or projected production the following year...

Homer glasses? I will never understand why someone who posts an opinion that doesn't fit in with the doom and gloom crowd that dominates this board gets labeled as a homer.

Is Albert better than Fisher? Absolutely, but Fisher was drafted to play LT and they are following their plan. The other players that left I just don't see why everyone is whining. McCluster is replaceable, Lewis is replaceable, Asomoagh (sp) is replaceable, and Jordan is replaceable. Those are the starters besides Albert and Flowers who aren't going to be with the team next season. And as I said earlier Flowers and Albert were moves that were calculated.

Now if these moves don't ensure that Smith, Houston, and Berry are resigned, then I will have a major problem with them letting Albert and Flowers walk.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's not so much about individual talent as the number of holes.

The Chiefs had several glaring holes entering the offseason. They chose to plug those spots with internal guys or draft picks or third tier FAs.

That's bad enough. But in addition to those holes, additional ones have opened up at LT, RT, RG, WR3 and now CB1/nickel slot CB. And again, the plan is internal guys or draft picks.

And it's not like the Chiefs had a plethora of premium draft picks (or draft picks, period).

This.

We allowed our areas of weakness to get worse and instead drafted to replace high priced (and productive) players.

I'm not sure why this is so ****ing hard to understand: more talent has left KC than has come to KC.

Am I arguing that we should have overpaid for O lineman or any specific position?

No.

I'm saying that, as a whole, our draft picks have been total DOG$#IT and we have not even replaced the level of inadequate talent that left...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Homer glasses? I will never understand why someone who posts an opinion that doesn't fit in with the doom and gloom crowd that dominates this board gets labeled as a homer.

Our draft picks and free agent signings have not worked out.

Other than Cooper none of them have played to a higher level than the players they replaced.

That's a loss of talent.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Now if these moves don't ensure that Smith, Houston, and Berry are resigned, then I will have a major problem with them letting Albert and Flowers walk.

At that point it's too late.

Your entire argument is that after all our resources are depleted only THEN will this be a failure.

I don't want to see that happen. I still think Reid is a very solid HC.

I don't want a very $#itty GM to ruin his tenure...

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by nychief

I just think it is too early to say. He didn't create this cap situation (and yes, despite what some think...there is such a thing as the salary cap). I think you have to bring in young bodies, it's the NFL... and paying for past performance is death. Let's see what the young guys do, is all I'm saying.

He certainly hasn't helped it.

Fasano, Daniel, Joe Mays, and Dunta Robinson are all scrubs that received wayyyyy more than they're worth.

IIRC, he re-signed one of our kickers for just way too much money. I want to say its Colquitt and I love the guy but you have to look at positional value there. The difference between a top 5 punter and an average one we could pick up for 1/8 the cost is just not big enough.

Then he signed Dwayne Bowe to top 5 WR money. We're not paying the guy for what he's done in the past but what he'll do in the future and, at 30 years old, he's likely barely worth top 15 money at this point.

[nychief]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

He certainly hasn't helped it.

Fasano, Daniel, Joe Mays, and Dunta Robinson are all scrubs that received wayyyyy more than they're worth.

IIRC, he re-signed one of our kickers for just way too much money. I want to say its Colquitt and I love the guy but you have to look at positional value there. The difference between a top 5 punter and an average one we could pick up for 1/8 the cost is just not big enough.

Then he signed Dwayne Bowe to top 5 WR money. We're not paying the guy for what he's done in the past but what he'll do in the future and, at 30 years old, he's likely barely worth top 15 money at this point.

I don't consider those contracts exorbitant, they aren't budget busters. You can argue Daniel...but how soon we forget not having a backup quarterback (2012).

I thought Pioli signed Colquitt....


Bowe is a bad contract, but he had us over the kitchen table....and he is still by far our best receiver.


I don't like losing talent...I just know you can't be precious with any player in the NFL. We'll be able to judge Dorsey via his drafts, if you don't have young guys able to step up.... you're dead and so will Dorsey/Reid.

[saphojunkie]

Rausch has gone off the rails. A little over one calendar year after Dorsey took over he is supposed to be a "terrible GM" who is going to "ruin" Andy Reid's team, despite us having the best season in years.

My god, dude. This is cataclysmic overreacting, even by CP standards.

You're writing off an entire draft class? Really? After ONE year that was plagued with injury?

You're writing off the second draft class before they ever play in a game?

**** me, this is just ridiculous.