Chiefs Teicher: No sign yet that Bowe will bounce back - Page 12

FringeNC · 08-13-2014, 01:37 PM

ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs made their decision on Dwayne Bowe for better or for worse last year when they signed him to a lucrative, long-term contract.

They didn’t get their money’s worth from their No. 1 wide receiver last year, when he had the worst statistical full season of his career. Bowe failed to lead the Chiefs in receiving for the first time since they traded Tony Gonzalez after the 2008 season.

But in part because of Bowe’s big contract, the Chiefs were limited in their ability to pursue a receiver in free agency. The only wide receiver likely to make the regular-season roster who wasn’t with the Chiefs last season is rookie Albert Wilson, an undrafted free agent.

So their best chance to see dramatic improvement at the position may rest with Bowe. He had a tough day at practice on Wednesday, dropping a pair of passes and deflected another for an interception.

That’s hardly an indication that Bowe won’t rebound this season. But he hasn’t had a great camp and the Chiefs may be guilty of wishful thinking when it comes to their top wide receiver.

Bowe in September will turn 30, the age when the skills of many receivers start their decline. Could it be that process has already started with Bowe?

We’ll find out soon. Chiefs wide receivers coach David Culley said Bowe is in much better shape than he was last summer. Bowe said he’s in the best shape of his career.

“I know from last year, it’s completely different,’’ said Culley, who in his second season with the Chiefs. “Thirty is a mindset. There’s old 30s and there’s young 30s. Which 30 do you want to be? When he came back, he came back as a young 30 and that’s what you have to do to play in this league for a long time.’’

The Chiefs need Culley to be right. If he’s not, it would be obvious the Chiefs made the wrong decision last year on Bowe.

http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...ll-bounce-back

lcarus · 08-13-2014, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Based on what?...

Based on the fact that he's used to playing LT over RT. And he has a year of experience under his belt. That and I'm stoned and in an optimistic mood at the moment. I might be calling him an AIDS tree bust piece of diarrhea dog shit after tomorrow.

John Dope · 08-13-2014, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

I am not seeing the doom and gloom every one is predicting. Kind of like last year when they were frightened by the NFC Least

I agree and think we'll be pretty good. I'm thinking 9-7.

**Rausch** · 08-13-2014, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

I never fear an NFL schedule before the season. Been watching the game far too long for that. Every off season is ground hog day on this board and every year 6 new playoff teams emerge.

It's one thing for a schedule to get easier than it looks.

It's another to expect 6 of the top 8 teams from last year to all go to $#it...

Coogs · 08-13-2014, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Based on what?...

Health. Back at LT. When we drafted him, they said Joeckel was more NFL ready, but Fisher had more potential to grow to be a better player.

**Rausch** · 08-13-2014, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Health.

Being healthy is a huge issue for him.

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Back at LT.

He's not "back" at LT. He's never played LT in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by Coogs

When we drafted him, they said Joeckel was more NFL ready, but Fisher had more potential to grow to be a better player.

No, Joeckel was more NFL ready and Fisher was more physically talented.

That physical talent (read: good combine) was why some thought his upside would be bigger...

saphojunkie · 08-13-2014, 05:12 PM

As a matter of fact, only three teams were in the top ten in points scored on defense, special teams, and offense:

Denver
Dallas
Chicago

And KC was #11 and was the #1 scoring defense and #1 scoring ST.

The fact that we scored more touchdowns on defense and special teams than anyone else in the league and were STILL one spot away from a top ten offense is ****ing amazing.

John Dope · 08-13-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Health. Back at LT. When we drafted him, they said Joeckel was more NFL ready, but Fisher had more potential to grow to be a better player.

All of this is on spot.

**penguinz** · 08-13-2014, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by John Dope

No athlete/celebrity should ever been put on a pedestal.

FYP

Sorter · 08-13-2014, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

wow no sign of a Bowe comeback after 1 ****ign preseason game where the starter threw 3 lame duck wobblers for about 5 yards each

jesus ****ign christ

Maybe lets wait for a couple regular season games....it would be pretty hard for Bowe NOT to do better than last season, even if smiff goes down

I missed your musk.

FringeNC · 08-13-2014, 05:43 PM

Teicher watches camp everyday, and remarked Bowe hasn't looked all that great. Coming off a sub-par season, that is a concerning, even coming from Teicher, because in all probability he doesn't form his opinion independently from all the chatter at camp. Does it mean Bowe is finished? No. But the idea that we shouldn't be concerned because Bowe is unquestionably a stud is asinine, in my opinion.

Mr. Laz · 08-13-2014, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Bowe goes off this year folks

let's freakin' hope so

ViperVisor · 08-13-2014, 05:48 PM

The hope is Bowe will be sharper with his routes like the playoff game.

I feel he got into the habit of doing those sloppy routes and playing patty-cake with DBs and trying those 1-arm body-catches because he had to prepare to fight for a pass that was not gonna be on point.

KC has mostly sucked. Losing and DBs were ready for the pass so they could wait for Bowe to come to them in soft coverage.
In his early years a lot more of his yards were in the 2nd half. He was probably not running a lot of the short west-coast timing routes. A catch and tackle as the DB could stand back and watch the QB wouldn't do a lot of good down in the 2nd half.
It was probably a lot of stuff where he had to fight for the ball as the CB was waiting for him at the marker.

John Dope · 08-13-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

let's freakin' hope so

I hope he proves me wrong but my gut is telling me he won't. He is going to have to play the best he has ever played in his life to get 1,000 yards. There are so many good corners lining up across from him this year. He will need some luck. Maybe some of those guys will get hurt?

Saccopoo · 08-13-2014, 06:06 PM

Reid's system is predicated on precise route running and timing. Two things that Dwayne Bowe has never really exemplified. (Remember that Bowe didn't start playing football until his junior year of high school and was simply overpowering people with size and athleticism his entire career. His technique and skills as a wide receiver are, and always have been, lacking when compared to other highly paid receivers such as Fitzgerald, Bryant, Johnson, etc.)

Bowe is a "chuck it up dawg!" type of receiver and that's not what ultimately works in this system and with this QB. When asked to run routes, he's consistently beat by defensive backs, even those who are substantially smaller than himself.

It's why he put up better numbers with worse QB's as he was allowed to simply freelance downfield. That won't happen with Reid and it definitely showed last season. (Add to that that he was downright horrible in terms of conditioning.)

It's just one more thing to consider when looking at the 2014 Draft, which was considered to be the best WR draft since 1996. They (Dorsey/Reid) knew Bowe was a bad fit along with having a very lackluster receiving corps behind him, but they still didn't take a single receiver in the draft and only signed Albert Wilson as an UDFA.

As it stands, Dwayne Bowe is the most overrated and overpaid WR in the NFL. If he can't pick up the offense and secure his routes and timing, he's simply a glorified second level fullback.

Either he produces or the Chiefs are going to take a beating on his salary as it equates to his production/performance until 2016, when they can effectively cut him. Either than or trade him, but no one is taking on his salary at this point.

Bottom line: He's got to produce. Otherwise, he's the albatross around Dorsey's neck.

Hammock Parties · 08-13-2014, 06:11 PM

Bottom line, **** Dwayne Bowe, amirite guys?

08-13-2014, 01:37 PM
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1823986	Teicher: No sign yet that Bowe will bounce back ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- The Kansas City Chiefs made their decision on Dwayne Bowe for better or for worse last year when they signed him to a lucrative, long-term contract. They didn’t get their money’s worth from their No. 1 wide receiver last year, when he had the worst statistical full season of his career. Bowe failed to lead the Chiefs in receiving for the first time since they traded Tony Gonzalez after the 2008 season. But in part because of Bowe’s big contract, the Chiefs were limited in their ability to pursue a receiver in free agency. The only wide receiver likely to make the regular-season roster who wasn’t with the Chiefs last season is rookie Albert Wilson, an undrafted free agent. So their best chance to see dramatic improvement at the position may rest with Bowe. He had a tough day at practice on Wednesday, dropping a pair of passes and deflected another for an interception. That’s hardly an indication that Bowe won’t rebound this season. But he hasn’t had a great camp and the Chiefs may be guilty of wishful thinking when it comes to their top wide receiver. Bowe in September will turn 30, the age when the skills of many receivers start their decline. Could it be that process has already started with Bowe? We’ll find out soon. Chiefs wide receivers coach David Culley said Bowe is in much better shape than he was last summer. Bowe said he’s in the best shape of his career. “I know from last year, it’s completely different,’’ said Culley, who in his second season with the Chiefs. “Thirty is a mindset. There’s old 30s and there’s young 30s. Which 30 do you want to be? When he came back, he came back as a young 30 and that’s what you have to do to play in this league for a long time.’’ The Chiefs need Culley to be right. If he’s not, it would be obvious the Chiefs made the wrong decision last year on Bowe. http://espn.go.com/blog/kansas-city-...ll-bounce-back
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08-13-2014, 05:12 PM	#171
saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $2126550	As a matter of fact, only three teams were in the top ten in points scored on defense, special teams, and offense: Denver Dallas Chicago And KC was #11 and was the #1 scoring defense and #1 scoring ST. The fact that we scored more touchdowns on defense and special teams than anyone else in the league and were STILL one spot away from a top ten offense is ****ing amazing.
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08-13-2014, 05:43 PM	#175
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1823986	Teicher watches camp everyday, and remarked Bowe hasn't looked all that great. Coming off a sub-par season, that is a concerning, even coming from Teicher, because in all probability he doesn't form his opinion independently from all the chatter at camp. Does it mean Bowe is finished? No. But the idea that we shouldn't be concerned because Bowe is unquestionably a stud is asinine, in my opinion.
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08-13-2014, 05:48 PM	#177
ViperVisor Veteran Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $10019798	The hope is Bowe will be sharper with his routes like the playoff game. I feel he got into the habit of doing those sloppy routes and playing patty-cake with DBs and trying those 1-arm body-catches because he had to prepare to fight for a pass that was not gonna be on point. KC has mostly sucked. Losing and DBs were ready for the pass so they could wait for Bowe to come to them in soft coverage. In his early years a lot more of his yards were in the 2nd half. He was probably not running a lot of the short west-coast timing routes. A catch and tackle as the DB could stand back and watch the QB wouldn't do a lot of good down in the 2nd half. It was probably a lot of stuff where he had to fight for the ball as the CB was waiting for him at the marker.
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08-13-2014, 06:06 PM	#179
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Reid's system is predicated on precise route running and timing. Two things that Dwayne Bowe has never really exemplified. (Remember that Bowe didn't start playing football until his junior year of high school and was simply overpowering people with size and athleticism his entire career. His technique and skills as a wide receiver are, and always have been, lacking when compared to other highly paid receivers such as Fitzgerald, Bryant, Johnson, etc.) Bowe is a "chuck it up dawg!" type of receiver and that's not what ultimately works in this system and with this QB. When asked to run routes, he's consistently beat by defensive backs, even those who are substantially smaller than himself. It's why he put up better numbers with worse QB's as he was allowed to simply freelance downfield. That won't happen with Reid and it definitely showed last season. (Add to that that he was downright horrible in terms of conditioning.) It's just one more thing to consider when looking at the 2014 Draft, which was considered to be the best WR draft since 1996. They (Dorsey/Reid) knew Bowe was a bad fit along with having a very lackluster receiving corps behind him, but they still didn't take a single receiver in the draft and only signed Albert Wilson as an UDFA. As it stands, Dwayne Bowe is the most overrated and overpaid WR in the NFL. If he can't pick up the offense and secure his routes and timing, he's simply a glorified second level fullback. Either he produces or the Chiefs are going to take a beating on his salary as it equates to his production/performance until 2016, when they can effectively cut him. Either than or trade him, but no one is taking on his salary at this point. Bottom line: He's got to produce. Otherwise, he's the albatross around Dorsey's neck.
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08-13-2014, 06:11 PM	#180
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $720478	Bottom line, **** Dwayne Bowe, amirite guys?
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