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Old 08-13-2014, 01:47 AM  
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Covitz:Alex Smith will play entire first half of Sunday’s preseason game

Alex Smith will play entire first half of Sunday’s preseason game

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said starter Alex Smith would likely play the entire first half on Sunday night at Carolina, but the rest of the quarterback rotation has not been determined.

The starting offense struggled in the preseason opener against Cincinnati, going three-and-out, settling for a short field goal and Smith lost a fumble when sacked. Smith said he had a simple goal for Sunday night: Hold onto the football.

“That was the biggest play for me in my (time on the field),” Smith said. “You look at two third-and-shorts that we didn’t convert, one on the run play and the last on the pass play ... miscommunication there with the receivers. You just can’t have it.

“To me, two plays jumped out — one, the fumble, you just can’t have turnovers. The second one, that third-and-2 down there, in the red zone, if you convert, you have a good chance of walking away with a touchdown. Those are big downs, we know that. You have to execute those and it’s all kind of in the details.”
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:07 AM   #286
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:18 AM   #287
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Heh, someone needs to photoshop that, and put "JAG" and have Smith endorse it.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:43 PM   #288
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When you lose as consistently in the playoffs as Marty did, there's more than luck involved.

Playing not to lose leads ultimately to losing.
We just fundamentally disagree on the point that playing conservative, smart football, when conservative, smart football is appropriate, is "playing not to lose". No worries. Rock on Milk!
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:48 PM   #289
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:49 PM   #290
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**** all this knowing the situation bullshit.

If you've got a guy wide open, you throw him the ****ing ball. More points=a good ****ing thing.
Completely agree... assuming the guy that is wide open, is wide open - or has a good step on his man - at the time the QB reaches him in his progression.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:51 PM   #291
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Martyocrity.
You guys call it Martyocrity here in KC. We call it the west coast offense pioneered by Bill Walsh. Niners won a few superbowls with it. Maybe it's dated and doesn't belong in today's NFL - But I still believe in it.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:54 PM   #292
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Marty was no Bill Walsh, by any measure. It's an insult to compare what he did to that iteration of the WCO.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:54 PM   #293
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I was hoping for more Bray and less Alex. But oh well. We pretty much know what Alex can do- so I'm super excited to see 20 dump off passes to RB's / sacks for yards lost.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:57 PM   #294
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You guys call it Martyocrity here in KC. We call it the west coast offense pioneered by Bill Walsh. Niners won a few superbowls with it. Maybe it's dated and doesn't belong in today's NFL - But I still believe in it.
Marty's WCO, led by Paul Hackett, wasn't exactly Walsh's offense but it was close. The difference was that the 49ers had real WRs and the Chiefs, as they have most of the time I've been a fan, had shit WRs.
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Old 08-15-2014, 02:06 PM   #295
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Marty's WCO, led by Paul Hackett, wasn't exactly Walsh's offense but it was close. The difference was that the 49ers had real WRs and the Chiefs, as they have most of the time I've been a fan, had shit WRs.
The 49ers also had real quarterbacks and allowed them to play without leashes - the Montana years here being the exception that proved the rule. Only then could Marty win despite himself. That's where the 'play not to lose' mantra came from.

What Marty could do is coach up an average roster to win regular season games. Put him in postseason situations against playoff rosters and he was toast.

Although if you go further beyond that and look at his years in SD, where he had an incredibly talented roster, you'll see he still found creative ways to **** up playoff games. Although then it was generally because he stopped doing the things that won them games during the regular season and reverted back to his tendencies. The same tendencies that led to 13-3 one-and-done's here.
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Old 08-15-2014, 02:51 PM   #296
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The 49ers also had real quarterbacks and allowed them to play without leashes - the Montana years here being the exception that proved the rule. Only then could Marty win despite himself. That's where the 'play not to lose' mantra came from.

What Marty could do is coach up an average roster to win regular season games. Put him in postseason situations against playoff rosters and he was toast.

Although if you go further beyond that and look at his years in SD, where he had an incredibly talented roster, you'll see he still found creative ways to **** up playoff games. Although then it was generally because he stopped doing the things that won them games during the regular season and reverted back to his tendencies. The same tendencies that led to 13-3 one-and-done's here.
You mean like one-upping Herm in the Play-not-to-lose department in the playoffs and sending Nate Kaeding out there in the rain and watching him miss the game-winning FG?
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Old 08-15-2014, 04:48 PM   #297
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Was 95 the "Yards in Chunks" year or was that down the road... but I remember him saying he was going to have his offense get yards in "chunks"
I think that came after Marty. That was Gunther's idea I think. And it actually worked pretty well in 2000, back when throwing for 4,000 yards meant something.

I would have liked to have seen Gunther and Grbac together for a few more years because they had something going offensively. The biggest problem with that team was Kurt Schottenheimer as DC, and lack of a true threat in the backfield (Tony Richardson, lol).

Instead they blew it up and we got Vermeil and an even worse defense.
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This is all bullshit.

Jenkins and Avery are both open by NFL standards.
Open by NFL standards is not open by Alex Smith standards. Alex wants clear, un-interceptible separation in order to throw to his wide receivers. That is just how Alex is. The upside is, he creates very few turnovers, which are the #1 reason for losses. So he is a net plus. Just not the type of QB to thread the needle to a WR to win a playoff game when it is on the line.
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Old 08-17-2014, 12:34 AM   #299
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My biggest problem with Alex Smith is he does not maximize the potential of every play. There have been countless times every single game of his career that he has a WR open for what could be a big play, but Alex chooses to go to a safer play.

When a wide receiver is a step or two past his defender, Alex does not see this as the WR being open enough, and will go to a more open WR.....even if the latter WR will result in a minimal gain. Alex sees a WR that is one or two steps past his defender as a risky throw....where in actuality, said WR is wide open by NFL standards.

The Alex fans will say that "he plays within the circumstances of the game," but I would argue that aside from having a big lead late int the 4th Quarter, there is no circumstance of a game that would call for a QB to NOT throw to an open WR who is streaking down the field. While Alex is praised for finding an open dump off that will net 3 yards, I criticize him for missing the open WR who would net 25+ yards on the same play.

It has nothing to do with simply hoping he will bomb it every play. That is NOT what I or others are trying to say. You Alex fans say that one of his best traits is accuracy right? Well then if a WR is two steps past his defender, an accurate QB should have ZERO problem hitting him and shouldnt deem it as a "risky attempt."
You understand exactly.
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Open by NFL standards is not open by Alex Smith standards. Alex wants clear, un-interceptible separation in order to throw to his wide receivers. That is just how Alex is. The upside is, he creates very few turnovers, which are the #1 reason for losses. So he is a net plus. Just not the type of QB to thread the needle to a WR to win a playoff game when it is on the line.
Except for when he did it against the Saints, am I right?

You're such a tool dude.
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