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Old 08-19-2014, 10:37 AM   #1
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I really liked the Fasano signing. He's a nice blocker and has good hands for the most part. It's coincidence that he rarely got hurt in his entire career until last year though. I think we'll like the TE position with Kelce and Fasano (and Harris).
Fasano would be a nice #2 TE. He's not a #1. In him and Kelce, you potentially have two complimentary guys and no actual standout. We can hope about Kelce though. I don't pay much mind to Harris. He looks like one of those guys that will never see the field. All hype, no substance.

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No way is keeping Albert a good idea unless you want to let Houston go.
They didn't HAVE to draft Fisher to let Albert go. There were other possible solutions. Drafting Fisher 1.1 and then having him suck puts them in a deep hole. Even if Alex Smith is BETTER than they thought he could be, it might amount to nothing if they're biggest, and arguably most important, draft pick is a failure.

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You can't fix every problem in 2 offseasons. What should disappoint you is Stephenson and Allen looking like absolute trash. High draft picks like that shouldn't be struggling like this in year 3.
Part of the reason Allen and Stephenson might be struggling is because we're changing systems and schemes AGAIN. There's been no continuity on this line, in terms of personnel or scheme, and that hurts them. I've talked to Casey Wiegmann many times and he's always said the #1 factor in the success and/or failure of an offensive line is cohesion. This line has none. This is another area where drafting Fisher, inserting him at RT for a season, and then shuffling him to the other side (forcing Stephenson to move) may have done more harm than good.
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:19 AM   #2
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Fasano would be a nice #2 TE. He's not a #1. In him and Kelce, you potentially have two complimentary guys and no actual standout. We can hope about Kelce though. I don't pay much mind to Harris. He looks like one of those guys that will never see the field. All hype, no substance.



They didn't HAVE to draft Fisher to let Albert go. There were other possible solutions. Drafting Fisher 1.1 and then having him suck puts them in a deep hole. Even if Alex Smith is BETTER than they thought he could be, it might amount to nothing if they're biggest, and arguably most important, draft pick is a failure.



Part of the reason Allen and Stephenson might be struggling is because we're changing systems and schemes AGAIN. There's been no continuity on this line, in terms of personnel or scheme, and that hurts them. I've talked to Casey Wiegmann many times and he's always said the #1 factor in the success and/or failure of an offensive line is cohesion. This line has none. This is another area where drafting Fisher, inserting him at RT for a season, and then shuffling him to the other side (forcing Stephenson to move) may have done more harm than good.
There were no other options to letting Albert go. Don't even bring up Stephenson at LT bc he looked way worse than Fisher the other night.
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:23 AM   #3
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There were no other options to letting Albert go. Don't even bring up Stephenson at LT bc he looked way worse than Fisher the other night.
He was playing out of position. Stephenson is a natural left tackle and probably would have been a 1st round pick if he had stayed in school. Unlike Fisher, we have actual games where we watched him play well at LT.
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He was playing out of position. Stephenson is a natural left tackle and probably would have been a 1st round pick if he had stayed in school. Unlike Fisher, we have actual games where we watched him play well at LT.
No way. Stephenson got pushed back into Alex all night. That's not a position problem. That's a strength problem
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Old 08-19-2014, 12:07 PM   #5
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No way. Stephenson got pushed back into Alex all night. That's not a position problem. That's a strength problem
So the most-used excuse for Fisher isn't valid for Stephenson?

Interesting.

By the way, we have actual observational experience of Stephenson playing LEFT tackle at an adequate level. Sunday's preseason game means less than nothing in this conversation. It's completely irrelevant.
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So the most-used excuse for Fisher isn't valid for Stephenson?

Interesting.

By the way, we have actual observational experience of Stephenson playing LEFT tackle at an adequate level. Sunday's preseason game means less than nothing in this conversation. It's completely irrelevant.
Stephenson has played 1 year longer and didn't have shoulder surgery. He also went to LeCharles Bentley's highly documented camp for OL.

What competition was Stephenson against while playing LT? It's early for Fisher, but the Bengals and Panthers DL are both top 10. Still too early for him.

Let's check back on this after the first month of the season. If Fisher is still struggling than we have problems.
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Stephenson has played 1 year longer and didn't have shoulder surgery. He also went to LeCharles Bentley's highly documented camp for OL.

What competition was Stephenson against while playing LT? It's early for Fisher, but the Bengals and Panthers DL are both top 10. Still too early for him.

Let's check back on this after the first month of the season. If Fisher is still struggling than we have problems.
Stephenson has played the actual Left tackle position in actual real-live NFL games, which is more than we can say for Fisher.

This isn't about Fisher struggling. This about the idea that once they decided to get rid of Albert they were FORCED to draft Fisher.

That's the kind of tunnel vision that creates 20-year playoff droughts.
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Stephenson has played 1 year longer and didn't have shoulder surgery. He also went to LeCharles Bentley's highly documented camp for OL.

What competition was Stephenson against while playing LT? It's early for Fisher, but the Bengals and Panthers DL are both top 10. Still too early for him.

Let's check back on this after the first month of the season. If Fisher is still struggling than we have problems.
A tackle taken with the first pick should look damn impressive. He shouldn't be getting ran over by guys like Parys Haralson and Carlos Dunlap.

He was manhandled last year when he wasn't coming off shoulder surgery.

The excuses keep on coming.
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There were no other options to letting Albert go. Don't even bring up Stephenson at LT bc he looked way worse than Fisher the other night.
Stephenson looked solid all of last year.

Fisher hasn't looked solid for more than one game...
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