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Old 08-23-2014, 10:27 PM   #1
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Yeah, they were morons. Franchise QB over even a HOF DE.
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:32 PM   #2
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No. You do not pass on a once in a lifetime caliber prospect at the second most important position in the game, unless you have a pretty badass qb prospect like Cam Newton, or Luck.
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:34 PM   #3
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Look at the 2011 Colts vs. the 2010 Colts or the 2008 Patriots vs the 2007 Patriots.

Can you imagine a single defensive player whose absence would ever cause such a precipitous decline?
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:35 PM   #4
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Look at the 2011 Colts vs. the 2010 Colts or the 2008 Patriots vs the 2007 Patriots.
Can we not talk about that?
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Old 08-24-2014, 08:50 AM   #5
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Look at the 2011 Colts vs. the 2010 Colts or the 2008 Patriots vs the 2007 Patriots.

Can you imagine a single defensive player whose absence would ever cause such a precipitous decline?
Nonsense, you're talking about the extreme ends of the spectrum. Manning & Brady aren't typical QBs, they're HOFers. We're talking Blake Bortles here.



Besides, even Matt Cassel won 11 games for 2008 Patriots did he not?
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:14 AM   #6
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Nonsense, you're talking about the extreme ends of the spectrum. Manning & Brady aren't typical QBs, they're HOFers. We're talking Blake Bortles here.



Besides, even Matt Cassel won 11 games for 2008 Patriots did he not?
If Clowney ends up with 180 sacks he still wouldn't be as valuable to a team as Phil Rivers, even if he's a much better football player. That's just the way the game is played.
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:20 AM   #7
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If Clowney ends up with 180 sacks he still wouldn't be as valuable to a team as Phil Rivers, even if he's a much better football player. That's just the way the game is played.
Pretty much.
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Old 10-10-2014, 10:34 AM   #8
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If Clowney ends up with 180 sacks he still wouldn't be as valuable to a team as Phil Rivers, even if he's a much better football player. That's just the way the game is played.
Yup
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:36 PM   #9
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:42 PM   #10
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Nope. Clowney is a once in a generation talent. You'd be an idiot to pass on that.
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:52 PM   #11
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2014 - Bortles (?)
2013 - (none)
2012 - Luck, Wilson, maybe Foles
2011 - Newton, Dalton
2010 - Bradford
2009 - Stafford
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - (none)
2006 - Cutler
2005 - Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers

So in the last 10 drafts we have about 13 guys out of a total of 54 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds who have stuck around or look like they will be able to stick around as starters.

It's no wonder a third of the league is QB-poor, because history tells us there is usually about 1 guy in each draft who will make it. Injuries or just not being good enough will claim the rest.

It's a sucker bet, but unless you convert one you can't realistically expect to win anything.
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Old 08-24-2014, 04:12 AM   #13
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2014 - Bortles (?)
2013 - (none)
2012 - Luck, Wilson, maybe Foles
2011 - Newton, Dalton
2010 - Bradford
2009 - Stafford
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - (none)
2006 - Cutler
2005 - Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers

So in the last 10 drafts we have about 13 guys out of a total of 54 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds who have stuck around or look like they will be able to stick around as starters.

It's no wonder a third of the league is QB-poor, because history tells us there is usually about 1 guy in each draft who will make it. Injuries or just not being good enough will claim the rest.

It's a sucker bet, but unless you convert one you can't realistically expect to win anything.

You forgot Tannehill
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You forgot Tannehill
Tannehill has mediocrity written all over him. He's the exact type of "franchise QB" that I've always feared. Not terrible enough to try out another quarterback for the next 10 years, but not great enough to provide consistent success.
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Old 08-24-2014, 07:47 AM   #15
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Tannehill has mediocrity written all over him. He's the exact type of "franchise QB" that I've always feared. Not terrible enough to try out another quarterback for the next 10 years, but not great enough to provide consistent success.
For a second there, I thought you were talking about A. Smith.
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