Let's do the Alex Smith thing again.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by ODESSABRONC

He makes that play the Chiefs are in position to score a touchdown.

You take the higher percentage pass and have a better chance at moving the chains, eat more of the clock and keep the opposing offense off the field.

Don't get me wrong, I'd have liked to see him take that shot as well, but I understand the logic of not doing so.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by temper11

You take the higher percentage pass and have a better chance at moving the chains, eat more of the clock and keep the opposing offense off the field.

If he was going to take the higher percentage pass, he needed to do it when the wr or TE was actually open. He waited and threw it late, making it a riskier throw as it could have been intercepted.

It's third down. Take the throw down the field. Worst case scenario it's intercepted.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by O.city

If he was going to take the higher percentage pass, he needed to do it when the wr or TE was actually open. He waited and threw it late, making it a riskier throw as it could have been intercepted.

It's third down. Take the throw down the field. Worst case scenario it's intercepted.

Again... this is not Madden, where the QB has an advantage in seeing every route unfold at the same time.

If he fires off a quick pass underneath, people bitch that he didn't take the time to look deep downfield.

When he waits to see if a deep target gets open and misses his window underneath.. people bitch about that too.

It's a no win situation with some folks.

I'm not even saying I know with certainty when and where he went through his progressions... doesn't much matter... as it was just ONE inconsequential play. I'd understand it more if AJJ was running wild and free... but his CB was up his ass to the point that even in a still picture... can't see but one body.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Again... this is not Madden, where the QB has an advantage in seeing every route unfold at the same time.

If he fires off a quick pass underneath, people bitch that he didn't take the time to look deep downfield.

When he waits to see if a deep target gets open and misses his window underneath.. people bitch about that too.

It's a no win situation with some folks.

I'm not even saying I know with certainty when and where he went through his progressions... doesn't much matter... as it was just ONE inconsequential play. I'd understand it more if AJJ was running wild and free... but his CB was up his ass to the point that even in a still picture... can't see but one body.

Of course he has to be wild and free for smith to throw it anyway. It's one inconsequential play that led to a punt and the opponent to tie the score.

Jesus.

The corner is right behind him sure, but it's a post. He, the wr, has all the leverage to the post and is on top of the co4ner

[temper11]

Originally Posted by O.city

Of course he has to be wild and free for smith to throw it anyway. It's one inconsequential play that led to a punt and the opponent to tie the score.

Jesus.

The corner is right behind him sure, but it's a post. He, the wr, has all the leverage to the post and is on top of the co4ner

Guys... What are the Chiefs good at? Short to Mid range passes. What are they not good at? Deep passes. Be it because Smith is supposedly a pussy, be it because the WR's suck, be it because the oline can't pass pro long enough, be it because Smith supposedly has a noodle arm, etc etc etc. Going deep there had a low percentage of success for one or all of the reasons above - depending on your individual perspective. Smith saw the deep opportunity present itself, pulled the arm back to throw it and then the statistic of success flashed in his head and he looked for the underneath route instead to move the chains. The hesitation meant that the underneath route was no longer available. It didn't work out but it's tough to argue the logic of the decision. Again, I personally think he lets it fly there if it were 1st or 2nd down.

I would have liked to see him chuck it personally, but think I understand why he did not.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by temper11

Guys... What are the Chiefs good at? Short to Mid range passes. What are they not good at? Deep passes. Be it because Smith is supposedly a pussy, be it because the WR's suck, be it because the oline can't pass pro long enough, be it because Smith supposedly has a noodle arm, etc etc etc. Going deep there had a low percentage of success for one or all of the reasons above - depending on your individual perspective. Smith saw the deep opportunity present itself, pulled the arm back to throw it and then the statistic of success flashed in his head and he looked for the underneath route instead to move the chains. The hesitation meant that the underneath route was no longer available. It didn't work out but it's tough to argue the logic of the decision. Again, I personally think he lets it fly there if it were 1st or 2nd down.

I would have liked to see him chuck it personally, but think I understand why he did not.

At some point you've got to take chances though. That was a chance to effectively end the game

[temper11]

Originally Posted by O.city

At some point you've got to take chances though. That was a chance to effectively end the game

Like I said, I'd have liked the trigger to have been pulled. But Smith I guess didn't think that THAT was the point at which to take chances. And seeing as how even his most bitter detractors think that he is nothing more than a good game manager, I'm willing to give Smith the benefit of the doubt on that decision.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by O.city

If he was going to take the higher percentage pass, he needed to do it when the wr or TE was actually open. He waited and threw it late, making it a riskier throw as it could have been intercepted.

It's third down. Take the throw down the field. Worst case scenario it's intercepted.

I agree... the hesitation to throw it deep fubar'ed the underneath route as well. That play was absolutely on Smith, no doubt. But I can understand the thought process. If it were second down, I think he let's it fly. On third, the "game manager" in him required that he pull it back and look for a higher percentage pass to move the chains. But it was too late.

[ODESSABRONC]

Originally Posted by temper11

You take the higher percentage pass and have a better chance at moving the chains, eat more of the clock and keep the opposing offense off the field.

Don't get me wrong, I'd have liked to see him take that shot as well, but I understand the logic of not doing so.

He knew the receiver was open down field and he passed it up. It's tied game and the Chiefs ended attempting what was it about 50 yard field? Make that play and at worst it's a shorter field goal attempt and at best it puts the Chiefs in a position to score a touchdown.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by ODESSABRONC

He knew the receiver was open down field and he passed it up. It's tied game and the Chiefs ended attempting what was it about 50 yard field? Make that play and at worst it's a shorter field goal attempt and at best it puts the Chiefs in a position to score a touchdown.

We are up 3 with about 5+ minutes to go. A couple more first downs puts it away.

Anything can happen if the DB right behind Jenkins makes the Int, including a return for a TD.

Punt is not a bad option. That's what we did.

They scored for the tie. We scored for the win.

3-3 when most thought we would be 1-5 to 0-6 (even before the Titans game).

Who knows where we go from here, but if we follow the game plan from the games against the Bronco's, Dolphins, Pats, 49ers (first half), and Chargers games... we could do well.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Coogs

We are up 3 with about 5+ minutes to go. A couple more first downs puts it away.

Anything can happen if the DB right behind Jenkins makes the Int, including a return for a TD.

Punt is not a bad option. That's what we did.

They scored for the tie. We scored for the win.

3-3 when most thought we would be 1-5 to 0-6 (even before the Titans game).

Who knows where we go from here, but if we follow the game plan from the games against the Bronco's, Dolphins, Pats, 49ers (first half), and Chargers games... we could do well.

Playing not to lose

Play to win.

He's not going to return an interception 80 plus yards for a td unless it's an absolute shit throw.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by O.city

Playing not to lose

Play to win.

He's not going to return an interception 80 plus yards for a td unless it's an absolute shit throw.

To each their own.

We have a winning formula for right now. 3-3 beats the hell out of 1-5 or 0-6.

And who's to say that this winning formula won't win in the playoffs if we get there.

I still think the play action pass is going to get mixed in when need be. But we haven't really "needed" it just yet.

Edit: I also don't have the luxury of seeing what Smith saw when his read was progressing by Jenkins in his split second timing. All I have s this still picture that someone provided that I can look at for an extended period of time. And FWIW, Bowe(?) looks to be the correct choice at the 38. I am assuming by the comments that the pass went Fasano's direction and was incomplete. Fasano's defender has his back turned and he is right at the sticks. Not a bad choice given the situation either.

For the record, I listened to the game on the radio. Had it recorded on TV, and watched it instead of the Bronco beatdown Sunday night. And I deleated it after enjoying watching us beat San Diego at their place... not giving a second thought to this play before I dumped the recording.

[temper11]

It basically comes down to what you want to pick apart. Last week it was all about the fact that Smith can't make that game winning drive. Can't put it together when we absolutely have to have it and win the game.

The very next game with the game on the line, Smith scrambles out of a collapsing pocket nearly converting a 1st down with his feet, and actually getting the first down when a face mask call adds on a few more yards.

Scrambles again to his left, throws back across the field between two defenders to get Bowe the ball for a big gain again.

Two more completions to put the ball in FG position... A game winning drive when just last week everyone was harping on the fact that he couldn't do this very thing.

So what are we talking about this week? One single play.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by temper11

It basically comes down to what you want to pick apart. Last week it was all about the fact that Smith can't make that game winning drive. Can't put it together when we absolutely have to have it and win the game.

The very next game with the game on the line, Smith scrambles out of a collapsing pocket nearly converting a 1st down with his feet, and actually getting the first down when a face mask call adds on a few more yards.

Scrambles again to his left, throws back across the field between two defenders to get Bowe the ball for a big gain again.

Two more completions to put the ball in FG position... A game winning drive when just last week everyone was harping on the fact that he couldn't do this very thing.

So what are we talking about this week? One single play.

Had he made the play I'm talking about, none of this is necessary.

It's shit like this that really pisses some off here. We can't even discuss a play or what should or shouldn't have happened without excuses and some ****ing reason we shouldn't/can't talk about a play.

He made plays on the final drive. Great for him. It's awesome to see. But he ****ed up on a drive that could have essentially ended the game.