Chiefs Fleming still starting on the outside, Gaines still in the slot. - Page 4

Direckshun · 10-23-2014, 12:29 AM

Wow.

It is amazing how fast the Chiefs went from full-on homer with Marcus Cooper to now pretending the guy doesn't exist.

We need more information on this Fleming kid. Anybody follow him prior to him ending up in KC?

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...le3258069.html

Chiefs to stick with new starters in the secondary on Sunday
By RANDY COVITZ-
10/22/2014 3:04 PM

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said the team likely will stick with cornerbacks Jamell Fleming and rookie Phillip Gaines in the lineup Sunday against St. Louis.

Fleming, who was signed during the second week of the season, started at left cornerback in place of Marcus Cooper, and Gaines opened at nickel back.

“There’s a chance we’ll do that,” Reid said. “There were some good things that Fleming did. He settled down as the game went on. His juices were flowing early. Gaines did a good job on the inside, and when he had chances on the outside, he did a nice job there.

“I came out feeling positive about it. Is there room to improve? We have to continue to get better there.”

Smith’s Rams memory

Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith’s life turned upside down the last time he faced the St. Louis Rams.

While playing for San Francisco, he suffered a concussion on Nov. 11, 2012, in a 24-24 tie against St. Louis, and he never returned to the lineup. Smith’s backup, Colin Kaepernick, started the final seven regular-season games, three postseason games and the Super Bowl, and Smith was traded to the Chiefs in the spring of 2013.

“I haven’t given it that much thought,” Smith said. “Certainly I recognize when we go over the personnel, some of these guys. I remember the game. I remember it well. But I haven’t really thought about the what-ifs.”

Smith, who rushed for a club-record 431 yards by a quarterback last season, uses the feet-first slide more than he did as a younger player, but not because of the hit he absorbed against the Rams.

“You get older, you get smarter,” said Smith, 30. “Whether you like it or not, as a quarterback, you’re a target, and you get outside the pocket, some of the rules that protect you go away. So it’s being smart, understanding situations, and for the most part protecting yourself when you get outside the pocket.”

Injury report

The Chiefs said wide receivers Donnie Avery (sports hernia) and Junior Hemingway (strained hamstring), and cornerback Chris Owens (concussion) did not practice Wednesday. Strong safety Eric Berry, who has missed the last four games because of a high ankle sprain, worked with the scout team and was to be re-evaluated after practice.

Tight end Travis Kelce (ribs) and cornerback Sean Smith (groin) were limited.

The Rams said cornerback Janoris Jenkins (knee), guard Rodger Saffold (knee), defensive end William Hayes (illness), safety T.J. McDondald (concussion) and wide receiver Kenny Britt (ankle) did not practice.

Dorsey, Bienemy nominated

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey and running backs coach Eric Bienemy are among several players with ties to the team who have been nominated for the College Football Hall of Fame’s Class of 2015.

Dorsey, a linebacker at Connecticut during 1981-83, was nominated in the Divisional class. Bienemy, a running back at Colorado, helped lead the Buffaloes to the 1990 national title.

Former Chiefs who were nominated include defensive end Art Still, an all-American at Kentucky and the club’s first pick in the 1978 draft; and running back Paul Palmer of Temple, who led the nation in rushing and was a first-round pick in 1987.

**Easy 6** · 10-23-2014, 04:08 PM

Coopers inexperience has really come back on him, he's having a legit sophomore slump... and now we've got yet another absolute unknown on every teams best receiver, fml.

Dorsey better not nickel and dime at this spot next year.

ToxSocks · 10-23-2014, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Coopers inexperience has really come back on him, he's having a legit sophomore slump... and now we've got yet another absolute unknown on every teams best receiver, fml.

Dorsey better not nickel and dime at this spot next year.

You can't call it a sophmore slump when he was never any good to begin with. There was nothing to slump from.

**Rausch** · 10-23-2014, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Dorsey better not nickel and dime at this spot next year.

Hammock Parties · 10-23-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

You can't call it a sophmore slump when he was never any good to begin with. There was nothing to slump from.

I seriously don't think we have a single CB I'd want starting in a playoff game.

Our pass rush has really masked that weakness so far. Manning of course did what he wanted to do.

**Easy 6** · 10-23-2014, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

You can't call it a sophmore slump when he was never any good to begin with. There was nothing to slump from.

I'm not ready to give up on the guy and doubt this coaching staff is either, he flashed too many good things that rookie year.

Now, he may never again be a #1... but I'd bet theres still a future for him here.

**Rausch** · 10-23-2014, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

I seriously don't think we have a single CB I'd want starting in a playoff game.

Our pass rush has really masked that weakness so far. Manning of course did what he wanted to do.

Our first round draft pick is playing for Cinci and looking respectable...

ToxSocks · 10-23-2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm not ready to give up on the guy and doubt this coaching staff is either, he flashed too many good things that rookie year.

Now, he may never again be a #1... but I'd bet theres still a future for him here.

He flashed SOME good things against the weakest span of QB's the Chiefs had seen in years. Once a QB that could actually throw the ball downfield tested him, he melted and was relentlessly abused over and over again.

Stevie Johnson bitch slapping him and tossing him out of the way was the last straw.

Sure, i hope he develops into something special. Not holding my breath.

-King- · 10-23-2014, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You'd argue he's playing to that level now?

Hell yes. Are you saying he's not? We barely hear about him throughout a game because he's covering his guy so well.
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Direckshun · 10-24-2014, 05:42 AM

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/1...-marcus-cooper

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Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton admitted that Cooper was benched for performance reasons as he explained the switch.

"Well, obviously, we just thought that we needed to [make the switch]," Sutton said (via quotes from the Chiefs). "Coop has obviously had some issues in there, but I think the other part, Fleming has practiced really well for us since he's been here. We kind of said, ‘Hey, we need to see if this guy can play.' As it turned out we had a couple new guys in there.

"But yeah, that was kind of the driving force of it. It wasn't just Coop not playing as well as we'd like. It was also Fleming showing us in practice and going against our first offense and that for a couple weeks, maybe this guy deserves a look and so we said, ‘Hey, let's take a look and see how it will turn out.'"

Huh. Just flat came out and said Cooper was sucking. That's unusual in the Reid regime.

Sandy Vagina · 10-24-2014, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm not ready to give up on the guy and doubt this coaching staff is either, he flashed too many good things that rookie year.

Now, he may never again be a #1... but I'd bet theres still a future for him here.

Good call.

Cooper needs lots of work on awareness and technique. No, he's not nearly as good as we all hoped early on. The good news is, the kid has the size, speed, and mental toughness to get his shit together and play well in this scheme. Whether this year or next, he can still be a starter. Very least, he can be a good backup. It's not like the Chiefs had to pay top dollar for him anyway.

RunKC · 10-24-2014, 11:18 AM

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/1...kies-impressed

Great article on how Gaines played last week. That speed and length is helping him big time. Hope he keeps this up

beach tribe · 10-24-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Hell yes. Are you saying he's not? We barely hear about him throughout a game because he's covering his guy so well.
Posted via Mobile Device

He's playing pretty well.

nychief · 10-24-2014, 11:26 AM

Paul Palmer... We drafted him in the first and Okoye in the 2nd. All I remember about PP was he did the nestea plunge as a td celebration.

**Rain Man** · 10-24-2014, 02:06 PM

The Rams have Kenny Britt? Man, that guy's looking to cost me a lot of money in my celebrity death pool this year.

Dunerdr · 10-24-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Our first round draft pick is playing for Cinci and looking respectable...

Wtf are you talking about

10-23-2014, 12:29 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Fleming still starting on the outside, Gaines still in the slot. Wow. It is amazing how fast the Chiefs went from full-on homer with Marcus Cooper to now pretending the guy doesn't exist. We need more information on this Fleming kid. Anybody follow him prior to him ending up in KC? http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...le3258069.html Chiefs to stick with new starters in the secondary on Sunday By RANDY COVITZ- 10/22/2014 3:04 PM Chiefs coach Andy Reid said the team likely will stick with cornerbacks Jamell Fleming and rookie Phillip Gaines in the lineup Sunday against St. Louis. Fleming, who was signed during the second week of the season, started at left cornerback in place of Marcus Cooper, and Gaines opened at nickel back. “There’s a chance we’ll do that,” Reid said. “There were some good things that Fleming did. He settled down as the game went on. His juices were flowing early. Gaines did a good job on the inside, and when he had chances on the outside, he did a nice job there. “I came out feeling positive about it. Is there room to improve? We have to continue to get better there.” Smith’s Rams memory Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith’s life turned upside down the last time he faced the St. Louis Rams. While playing for San Francisco, he suffered a concussion on Nov. 11, 2012, in a 24-24 tie against St. Louis, and he never returned to the lineup. Smith’s backup, Colin Kaepernick, started the final seven regular-season games, three postseason games and the Super Bowl, and Smith was traded to the Chiefs in the spring of 2013. “I haven’t given it that much thought,” Smith said. “Certainly I recognize when we go over the personnel, some of these guys. I remember the game. I remember it well. But I haven’t really thought about the what-ifs.” Smith, who rushed for a club-record 431 yards by a quarterback last season, uses the feet-first slide more than he did as a younger player, but not because of the hit he absorbed against the Rams. “You get older, you get smarter,” said Smith, 30. “Whether you like it or not, as a quarterback, you’re a target, and you get outside the pocket, some of the rules that protect you go away. So it’s being smart, understanding situations, and for the most part protecting yourself when you get outside the pocket.” Injury report The Chiefs said wide receivers Donnie Avery (sports hernia) and Junior Hemingway (strained hamstring), and cornerback Chris Owens (concussion) did not practice Wednesday. Strong safety Eric Berry, who has missed the last four games because of a high ankle sprain, worked with the scout team and was to be re-evaluated after practice. Tight end Travis Kelce (ribs) and cornerback Sean Smith (groin) were limited. The Rams said cornerback Janoris Jenkins (knee), guard Rodger Saffold (knee), defensive end William Hayes (illness), safety T.J. McDondald (concussion) and wide receiver Kenny Britt (ankle) did not practice. Dorsey, Bienemy nominated Chiefs general manager John Dorsey and running backs coach Eric Bienemy are among several players with ties to the team who have been nominated for the College Football Hall of Fame’s Class of 2015. Dorsey, a linebacker at Connecticut during 1981-83, was nominated in the Divisional class. Bienemy, a running back at Colorado, helped lead the Buffaloes to the 1990 national title. Former Chiefs who were nominated include defensive end Art Still, an all-American at Kentucky and the club’s first pick in the 1978 draft; and running back Paul Palmer of Temple, who led the nation in rushing and was a first-round pick in 1987.
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