Chiefs Let's do the Alex Smith thing again. - Page 12

Direckshun · 10-22-2014, 03:16 AM

Shall we.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...a-game-manager

The Week in Overreactions: Alex Smith is more than a game manager
By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com
October 21, 2014 8:16 am ET

Alex Smith isn't a game manager

It's easy -- and, frankly, lazy -- to categorize Alex Smith as a game manager because that appeared to be his ceiling early in his career. Some of those growing pains can be attributed to youth (he came into the league as a fresh-faced 20-year-old), expectations that come with being the first-overall pick in the 2005 draft, and landing on a bad 49ers team that had six different offensive coordinators in Smith's first six seasons.

That's the definition of setting someone up to fail. And while the perception of Smith didn't change once coach Jim Harbaugh arrived in 2011, the reality was that he became a more complete player.

• In 54 games (50 starts) from 2005-2010, Smith completed 57 percent of his passes (6.2 YPA) with 51 touchdowns and 53 interceptions.

• In 2011-2012 under Harbaugh, Smith played in 26 games (25 starts) completed 64 percent of his passes (7.4 YPA) with 30 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

• And in a season and a half with the Chiefs and Andy Reid, Smith has started all 21 games, completing 62 percent of his passes (6.6 YPA) with 32 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.

We've been as guilty as anyone as taking Smith's accomplishments for granted, even regularly referring to him as "a bridge quarterback" to whomever is pegged as the next face of the franchise in Kansas City. But he's proven to be much, much more than that. We saw it in last season's playoff loss to the Colts, when he was 30 of 46 for 378 yards, with four touchdowns and no interceptions.

We saw it again in Week 4 when Smith completed 20 of 26 passes for 248 yards, with three touchdowns and no interceptions as the Chiefs throttled the Patriots, 41-14. And we were reminded once again on Sunday in San Diego when Smith, who has long been criticized for his inability to play from behind, did just that.

He led the Chiefs on a late-fourth-quarter, eight-play, 62-yard drive that began on their 8-yard line, and included a nine-yard scramble and passes of 19, 16 and eight yards to set up Cairo Santos' 48-yard field goal.

It wasn't spectacular but that's not Smith's game. (And when did spectacular equate to franchise savior, anyway? Jay Cutler has plenty of "spectacular" plays on his highlight reel but he's regularly played some truly awful football.)

According to Football Outsiders, Smith ranks 15th among all quarterbacks this season, ahead of Tom Brady, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger, but his steady-as-she-goes approach fits nicely with what Reid wants to do offensively. And even if it means fewer big plays down the field, it's hard to argue with the results; the Chiefs started 9-0 last season before finishing 11-5. And after an 0-2 start this season, they have won three of four, their only loss an eminently winnable game in San Francisco in Week 5. And this all comes after the Chiefs, prior to Reid and Smith's arrival, won a grand total of two games in 2012.

When Smith signed a four-year, $68 million extension just before the season, our only reservation was that it would mean the Chiefs would put off finding their next young quarterback. But at 30 years old, he's entering his NFL prime; there's no reason to rush him off the field. In fact, he could be the key to helping the Chiefs to back-to-back winning seasons for the first time since 2005-2006.

**Rausch** · 10-23-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Notice the names tied with, or ahead of Bowe:

Dez
A. Brown
Cobb
S. Smith
Watkins
Hilton
Demaryius
Benjamin
Cruz

But Bowe's the shittiest starting WR in the league...

And most of them have a **** ton more targets than he does...

chiefzilla1501 · 10-23-2014, 04:50 PM

I really can't stand the term "game manager."

Conservative QBs shouldn't get lumped in with game managers.

It's this simple... if you consistently convert on third downs, rise to the occasion in the second half even if your defense falters, and play like nails late in close games... game manager. If you don't do any of those things, how the hell is that game management? Game managers are a great thing but only if we stop making it a catch-all for QBs who don't get the job done.

I am seeing Smith as more and more of a game manager this season. But I'm not sold on him being a good one until he more consistently closes games. His third down efficiency this year, however, has been an extremely welcome development.

**The Franchise** · 10-23-2014, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And most of them have a **** ton more targets than he does...

Because they have a ****ing QB that will repeatedly ****ing target them no matter what the situation.

O.city · 10-23-2014, 04:52 PM

Charles also has a drop. So Kelce, Knile, Bowe, Fasano, Charles equal 11 of the Chiefs 14 drops.

Tweet posted by arrowhead pride

Sandy Vagina · 10-23-2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And most of them have a **** ton more targets than he does...

... and it's not even "drops" by number. It's the lack of WR101 that requires the WR separate from coverage. Bowe has had many knocked-loose passes that don't count as drops. Why? because he doesn't attack the football or come back to the ball when he has a DB in his back. So the DB sticks a hit or hand in and jars the ball loose.. some because Bowe catches with his body.

It's frustrating enough to have these issues... but then, you look at the 14 mil per year contract?

These incompletions are not labeled drops... but they really should be.

**The Franchise** · 10-23-2014, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

... and it's not even "drops" by number. It's the lack of WR101 that requires the WR separate from coverage. Bowe has had many knocked-loose passes that don't count as drops. Why? because he doesn't attack the football or come back to the ball when he has a DB in his back. So the DB sticks a hit or hand in and jars the ball loose.. some because Bowe catches with his body.

It's frustrating enough to have these issues... but then, you look at the 14 mil per year contract?

These incompletions are not labeled drops... but they really should be.

15 TDs from Matt Cassel. Matt ****ING Cassel.

**Rausch** · 10-23-2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Because they have a ****ing QB that will repeatedly ****ing target them no matter what the situation.

All players need to get into a rhythm.

HB's, QB's, WR's, all need that feel.

Our offense is schitzo and that only makes the problems we have even worse...

Sandy Vagina · 10-23-2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

15 TDs from Matt Cassel. Matt ****ING Cassel.

Bowe got PAID after his efforts with Cassel. Now, Bowe plays hard and focused when it suits him.

**The Franchise** · 10-23-2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Bowe got PAID after his efforts with Cassel. Now, Bowe plays hard and focused when it suits him.

Pure ****ing speculation.

Sandy Vagina · 10-23-2014, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Pure ****ing speculation.

the **** it is... everybody sees it... everybody knows it. Everyone have the balls to admit it? Of course not.

O.city · 10-23-2014, 04:59 PM

Bowe has 2 games where's he's been targeted 7 or more times, if I'm reading it right.

In those games he has 10 catches for about 170 yards. Throw the guy the ball more

O.city · 10-23-2014, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

the **** it is... everybody sees it... everybody knows it. Everyone have the balls to admit it? Of course not.

Bullshit

**The Franchise** · 10-23-2014, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

the **** it is... everybody sees it... everybody knows it. Everyone have the balls to admit it? Of course not.

Prove it. Show me where Bowe doesn't run his routes like Moss used to do. Or how about where Bowe isn't blocking for people. Prove it or shut the **** up. You continue to talk like you know ANYTHING about this team. You know about Alex Smith and that's it. I would take penbook as a ****ing poster here over you. I'd rather listen to Roy....

O.city · 10-23-2014, 05:02 PM

Bowe has 27 targets this year. He's averaging 14 yards per catch.

He needs more targets

temper11 · 10-23-2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Stopped reading here, since you can't seem to settle on a stat.

The link you posted claims 7.7%.

Now you're upping that by another 2%.

In another 50 posts, KC WR's will be dropping 25% of the passes thrown to them.

There was an article on Arrowheadpride that had the drop percentage as the worst in the NFL around 9% ahead of the Niners around 7% or so. I don't know why it's a different number than what is here on PFF but that is what Sandy was referencing. I'm trying to find it and repost - as if it matters.

10-22-2014, 03:16 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Let's do the Alex Smith thing again. Shall we. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...a-game-manager The Week in Overreactions: Alex Smith is more than a game manager By Ryan Wilson \| CBSSports.com October 21, 2014 8:16 am ET Alex Smith isn't a game manager It's easy -- and, frankly, lazy -- to categorize Alex Smith as a game manager because that appeared to be his ceiling early in his career. Some of those growing pains can be attributed to youth (he came into the league as a fresh-faced 20-year-old), expectations that come with being the first-overall pick in the 2005 draft, and landing on a bad 49ers team that had six different offensive coordinators in Smith's first six seasons. That's the definition of setting someone up to fail. And while the perception of Smith didn't change once coach Jim Harbaugh arrived in 2011, the reality was that he became a more complete player. • In 54 games (50 starts) from 2005-2010, Smith completed 57 percent of his passes (6.2 YPA) with 51 touchdowns and 53 interceptions. • In 2011-2012 under Harbaugh, Smith played in 26 games (25 starts) completed 64 percent of his passes (7.4 YPA) with 30 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. • And in a season and a half with the Chiefs and Andy Reid, Smith has started all 21 games, completing 62 percent of his passes (6.6 YPA) with 32 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. We've been as guilty as anyone as taking Smith's accomplishments for granted, even regularly referring to him as "a bridge quarterback" to whomever is pegged as the next face of the franchise in Kansas City. But he's proven to be much, much more than that. We saw it in last season's playoff loss to the Colts, when he was 30 of 46 for 378 yards, with four touchdowns and no interceptions. We saw it again in Week 4 when Smith completed 20 of 26 passes for 248 yards, with three touchdowns and no interceptions as the Chiefs throttled the Patriots, 41-14. And we were reminded once again on Sunday in San Diego when Smith, who has long been criticized for his inability to play from behind, did just that. He led the Chiefs on a late-fourth-quarter, eight-play, 62-yard drive that began on their 8-yard line, and included a nine-yard scramble and passes of 19, 16 and eight yards to set up Cairo Santos' 48-yard field goal. It wasn't spectacular but that's not Smith's game. (And when did spectacular equate to franchise savior, anyway? Jay Cutler has plenty of "spectacular" plays on his highlight reel but he's regularly played some truly awful football.) According to Football Outsiders, Smith ranks 15th among all quarterbacks this season, ahead of Tom Brady, Carson Palmer and Ben Roethlisberger, but his steady-as-she-goes approach fits nicely with what Reid wants to do offensively. And even if it means fewer big plays down the field, it's hard to argue with the results; the Chiefs started 9-0 last season before finishing 11-5. And after an 0-2 start this season, they have won three of four, their only loss an eminently winnable game in San Francisco in Week 5. And this all comes after the Chiefs, prior to Reid and Smith's arrival, won a grand total of two games in 2012. When Smith signed a four-year, $68 million extension just before the season, our only reservation was that it would mean the Chiefs would put off finding their next young quarterback. But at 30 years old, he's entering his NFL prime; there's no reason to rush him off the field. In fact, he could be the key to helping the Chiefs to back-to-back winning seasons for the first time since 2005-2006.
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10-23-2014, 04:50 PM	#167
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1845503	I really can't stand the term "game manager." Conservative QBs shouldn't get lumped in with game managers. It's this simple... if you consistently convert on third downs, rise to the occasion in the second half even if your defense falters, and play like nails late in close games... game manager. If you don't do any of those things, how the hell is that game management? Game managers are a great thing but only if we stop making it a catch-all for QBs who don't get the job done. I am seeing Smith as more and more of a game manager this season. But I'm not sold on him being a good one until he more consistently closes games. His third down efficiency this year, however, has been an extremely welcome development.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-795936	Charles also has a drop. So Kelce, Knile, Bowe, Fasano, Charles equal 11 of the Chiefs 14 drops. Tweet posted by arrowhead pride
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-795936	Bowe has 2 games where's he's been targeted 7 or more times, if I'm reading it right. In those games he has 10 catches for about 170 yards. Throw the guy the ball more
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-795936	Bowe has 27 targets this year. He's averaging 14 yards per catch. He needs more targets
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