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Old 10-25-2014, 08:27 AM  
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Berry or Hali...who is more valuable?
It was pretty much the consensus that drafting Ford spelled the exit for Hali next off-season...being that KC's defense is playing better this season with Berry on the bench, who is more valuable? I'm wondering if DJ hadn't been injured..if Berry's absence would even be noticed.

Hali is hands down my favorite Chief...his life history is pretty amazing. He is the veteran leader of the defense...KC would miss him in the locker room.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:00 AM   #16
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Berry's injury could give Dorsey some leverage to renegotiate a new contract. We don't need to lose Berry or hali as they are both above average players but to answer the question at hand , Hali is more important than Berry in any defense.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:03 AM   #17
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Hali is more valuable, especially when you consider Berry has trouble staying out of the tub
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:03 AM   #18
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Berry's injury could give Dorsey some leverage to renegotiate a new contract. We don't need to lose Berry or hali as they are both above average players but to answer the question at hand , Hali is more important than Berry in any defense.
Dorsey needs to weigh Berry's on field contributions against how those millions could be reallocated. I think another talented 6-2 CB would have more impact for the money. They still have Commings too..
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:06 AM   #19
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Berry tore an ace and has a high ankle sprain. I don't think you can say he's a broke dick yet
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:07 AM   #20
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Dorsey needs to weigh Berry's on field contributions against how those millions could be reallocated. I think another talented 6-2 CB would have more impact for the money. They still have Commings too..
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Commings will never play a meaningful down for the chiefs.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:09 AM   #22
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Right now? Hali. Overall, Berry because Hali is about done.
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Commings and Berry are of equal value when injured...just sayin. Commings might never play..hard to know if he's glass or had bad luck.
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Right now? Hali. Overall, Berry because Hali is about done.
Hali doesn't look done to me...
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:26 AM   #25
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We led the league in terms of defending the tight end last year.

Berry needs to be a chief for a while.
I really wonder if Berry isn't the cerebral safety we think he should be. Just because he works hard doesn't mean he has great football IQ. While there's a lot of reasons the defense has improved, including Sutton, I can't help but wonder if we're overrating DJ and Berry in terms of their on-field adjustments.

He is every bit as athletic as Ed Reed. I just don't see him anticipating plays the way Reed used to. Or blowing up plays as quickly as Polamalu used to.

If that's the case, then I'd rather Berry at Free Safety where he can rely more on his elite athleticism.
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Hali doesn't look done to me...
I agree. But if we're talking contracts, this team has a terrible habit of paying players past their prime. Somebody is going to pay Hali a ridiculous contract in his twilight years and I hope it's not the Chiefs.
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Hali doesn't look done to me...
His level of play has already started its natural age-related decline. He's still a beast, but for how much longer after this season?
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I really wonder if Berry isn't the cerebral safety we think he should be. Just because he works hard doesn't mean he has great football IQ. While there's a lot of reasons the defense has improved, including Sutton, I can't help but wonder if we're overrating DJ and Berry in terms of their on-field adjustments.

He is every bit as athletic as Ed Reed. I just don't see him anticipating plays the way Reed used to. Or blowing up plays as quickly as Polamalu used to.

If that's the case, then I'd rather Berry at Free Safety where he can rely more on his elite athleticism.
I don't really think FS vs Ss has much difference in this defense. I also agree with milkman in that berry hasn't exactly been put in the most advantageous positions to utilize his talents.

I also don't think it's any coincidence that the defense is better in a system it's had time to learn vs changing every year
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:32 AM   #29
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The Chiefs really need to find a way to keep Hali. Make him a deal that is good for the team and him. We can't break the bank, but we need to keep him IMO.
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I don't really think FS vs Ss has much difference in this defense. I also agree with milkman in that berry hasn't exactly been put in the most advantageous positions to utilize his talents.

I also don't think it's any coincidence that the defense is better in a system it's had time to learn vs changing every year
In this defense, Berry spends a lot of time playing more of a LB type position and as a blitzer. He's excellent at both those things. He can basically do all the things a strong safety does exceptionally well.

I think you might question the timing of when he does each of those things. Given that Berry has autonomy on the field to decide what he wants to do, the question is if Berry is used improperly because of Sutton or because of Berry's on-field adjustment. That's one really major distinction between the two positions. The Ryan defense gives Strong Safeties a lot more ability to play defensive QB -- one of the reasons they line up so close to the line.
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