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Old 10-25-2014, 08:27 AM  
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Berry or Hali...who is more valuable?
It was pretty much the consensus that drafting Ford spelled the exit for Hali next off-season...being that KC's defense is playing better this season with Berry on the bench, who is more valuable? I'm wondering if DJ hadn't been injured..if Berry's absence would even be noticed.

Hali is hands down my favorite Chief...his life history is pretty amazing. He is the veteran leader of the defense...KC would miss him in the locker room.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:43 AM   #31
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I really wonder if Berry isn't the cerebral safety we think he should be. Just because he works hard doesn't mean he has great football IQ. While there's a lot of reasons the defense has improved, including Sutton, I can't help but wonder if we're overrating DJ and Berry in terms of their on-field adjustments.

He is every bit as athletic as Ed Reed. I just don't see him anticipating plays the way Reed used to. Or blowing up plays as quickly as Polamalu used to.

If that's the case, then I'd rather Berry at Free Safety where he can rely more on his elite athleticism.
Neither Reed nor Polamalu were/are lining up in the box 60-70% of the snaps.

By lining him up in the box, the Chiefs have gotten the outstanding run support he provides, but they've removed him from position to allow his natural playmaking ability to shine.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:43 AM   #32
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Berry? Never heard of him-does he play for the Chiefs?
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:45 AM   #33
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I think the best years are behind Tamba Hali but Eric Berry still has a lot more years to tone his craft.


I love them both & would love both of them to retire as Chiefs I just know that's not going happen.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:48 AM   #34
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Neither Reed nor Polamalu were/are lining up in the box 60-70% of the snaps.

By lining him up in the box, the Chiefs have gotten the outstanding run support he provides, but they've removed him from position to allow his natural playmaking ability to shine.
I don't think lining him up in the box is the problem. Reed started his career playing strong safety in a Ryan scheme. Berry has the flexibility to move himself around, which includes ability to move himself into more coverage responsibilities. So I think the question is if Berry is doing this to himself or if he's following Sutton's play design. I agree with you that he should be playing back more but I also think that's possible at strong safety too if either he or Sutton would make that a bigger part of his role. When you're spending 1/3 of his snaps blitzing, then obviously he's not going to be in coverage. When you spend another third in the box, same.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:55 AM   #35
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I think all of you under value Berry. He is a run stuffer, physical player, leader and a large part of the heart and soul of our defense. Last season he handled alot of TE coverage and he was brilliant. Witten, Gates, Cameron, Fleener, Thomas did nothing against him. I hope we find a way to keep both.
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Old 10-25-2014, 09:57 AM   #36
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He was dynamic his rookie season...since then, has been over-hyped. He's a good player...but has never taken over a game or sealed a victory. When Houston went out ..KC tanked..when Berry was out..the defense got better.

He had his best year as a pro last season.

Try again.
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I don't think lining him up in the box is the problem. Reed started his career playing strong safety in a Ryan scheme. Berry has the flexibility to move himself around, which includes ability to move himself into more coverage responsibilities. So I think the question is if Berry is doing this to himself or if he's following Sutton's play design. I agree with you that he should be playing back more but I also think that's possible at strong safety too if either he or Sutton would make that a bigger part of his role. When you're spending 1/3 of his snaps blitzing, then obviously he's not going to be in coverage. When you spend another third in the box, same.
I think you are overstating Berry's flexibility in this scheme.

Reed never lined up in the box nearly as often as Berry has in this defense, and adjusting out of that requires more moving parts than just Berry moving.
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Old 10-25-2014, 10:32 AM   #38
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Used properly or not Berry is a potato chip. Too injury prone for me. Nothing against him and think he is a very good player BUT.....
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Berry? Never heard of him-does he play for the Chiefs?
Regrettably I must admit.
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I, too appreciate Hali and think he's been a terrific and relentless player for us. But...

Is he a 'leader'? Not bashing him in any way, but my read on Tamba is that he's more of a self motivated player who is somewhat introverted. Admittedly you don't need to be a rah-rah, boisterous, vocal dude to be a leader- Example is a language everyone speaks.

But I don't see him directing team mates on the field or grabbing guys on the sidelines to collaborate. Who is our leader on Defense?
This is absolute garbage.

Hali makes EVERYTHING ELSE on defense tick. His energy pushes everybody on the field. There is very little question.
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We led the league in terms of defending the tight end last year.

Berry needs to be a chief for a while.
This. Berry's coverage on tight ends was nails last year except against Peyton Manning.
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Right now? Hali. Overall, Berry because Hali is about done.
Hali has only been creating pressure against every LT he's faced this year.

But yeah, "about done."
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Hali doesn't look done to me...
No shit he's not done. He's only just crossed over 30, and is still beating every LT he faces.
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