Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Reload this Page Chiefs Berry or Hali...who is more valuable?
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
Page 7 of 9 « First 3456 7 89
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-25-2014, 08:27 AM  
BlackOp BlackOp is offline
MVP
 
BlackOp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Casino cash: $2555267
Berry or Hali...who is more valuable?
It was pretty much the consensus that drafting Ford spelled the exit for Hali next off-season...being that KC's defense is playing better this season with Berry on the bench, who is more valuable? I'm wondering if DJ hadn't been injured..if Berry's absence would even be noticed.

Hali is hands down my favorite Chief...his life history is pretty amazing. He is the veteran leader of the defense...KC would miss him in the locker room.
Posts: 19,141
BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 03:43 PM   #91
Easy 6 Easy 6 is offline
pie is never free
 
Easy 6's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: the drivers seat
Casino cash: $-242225
Your word for the day is "Tertiary".
Posts: 98,551
Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 03:45 PM   #92
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
__
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $2033447
Quote:
Originally Posted by thabear04 View Post
I think we miss more of DJ stuff at the line then berry. Because DJ would be in that backfield when the ball snap.
DJ's been the worst loss this season, no question.

Berry's been a big loss, but we have an adequate replacement.
Mays has been adequately replaced by Mauga.
DeVito's has been adequately replaced by Vickerson/Howard.
Owens has been adequately replaced by Gaines.
Allen's been adequately replaced by McGlynn.
Stephenson's been adequately replaced by Harris.

You could make an argument that losing Avery is almost as bad as DJ, oddly enough...
Posts: 59,693
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 03:48 PM   #93
chiefzilla1501 chiefzilla1501 is offline
In Search of a Life
 

Join Date: Aug 2008
Casino cash: $-1825503
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman View Post
I think you are overstating Berry's flexibility in this scheme.

Reed never lined up in the box nearly as often as Berry has in this defense, and adjusting out of that requires more moving parts than just Berry moving.
Well, Berry is blitzing and playing in the box a lot. A lot more than Reed did when Reed played strong safety early in his career. A lot more than most strong safeties who play in a Ryan defense. So I think it's more than an interesting question to ask if that's Rex Ryan, or if Berry is making on-field adjustments.

A signature of Ryan's defense is lining the strong safety with the linebackers so that they can make adjustments safeties in most other defenses cannot or do not. Which is why I bring it up. I don't know the answer. But just in general, I just don't see Berry making the same kind of instinctive reads that I see Polamalu and Reed making. I can't help but wonder if Berry is an athletically gifted player whose place is in a scheme where he's told exactly what to do. Or... perhaps if you line him up in a defense with Parker and Bailey, that's a big enough upgrade that Berry becomes a totally different player.
Posts: 51,689
chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.chiefzilla1501 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 03:50 PM   #94
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
__
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $2033447
Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy 6 View Post
Your word for the day is "Tertiary".


Hey, YOU said in the AustinChief thread that CP taught you new words.
Posts: 59,693
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 03:51 PM   #95
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $-785936
Why do we assume he's getting 10 plus million per year? I don't remember off the top of my head, but I don't think even earl Thomas got that
Posts: 84,255
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 03:56 PM   #96
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $-785936
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC View Post
What would you rather have? Turnovers and getting beat deep or no big plays given up, forcing punts and no turnovers?
If Berry were the reason we were getting best deep as much, you'd have a point.

Replacing Lewis and demps did that trick.

We haven't yet gotten to see what Berry can be added to the current group of safetied
Posts: 84,255
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 03:56 PM   #97
BlackOp BlackOp is offline
MVP
 
BlackOp's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2012
Casino cash: $2555267
I'm not sure the turnover argument is because of Berry. I think Sutton realized his aggressive play calling doesn't work well against Manning, Rivers and Brady. It does work against back-ups who hold the ball too long. KC has been blitzing a lot less...maybe because Berry/DJ arent in there..but its actually working out for the better.

Hali has 5 FF last season..Berry 2.

If KC can beat Rivers and Brady without Berry....is his salary justified? Safety is just about the least important position on defense....you dont need the best...just cant have suck...*cough Lewis cough*
Last edited by BlackOp; 10-25-2014 at 04:03 PM..
Posts: 19,141
BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 03:57 PM   #98
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $-785936
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
DJ's been the worst loss this season, no question.

Berry's been a big loss, but we have an adequate replacement.
Mays has been adequately replaced by Mauga.
DeVito's has been adequately replaced by Vickerson/Howard.
Owens has been adequately replaced by Gaines.
Allen's been adequately replaced by McGlynn.
Stephenson's been adequately replaced by Harris.

You could make an argument that losing Avery is almost as bad as DJ, oddly enough...
While DJ did make the big play, I have my doubts about how great his gap integrity really was.
Posts: 84,255
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 03:58 PM   #99
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $-785936
It's also a pretty big indicator that, yes, when Houston and Tamba went down last year, the defense was markedly different.
Posts: 84,255
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 04:01 PM   #100
RunKC RunKC is offline
Andy Reid Supporter
 
RunKC's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Casino cash: $-1700389
It would be really interesting to see a case study through 6 games last yr vs this year on turnovers and punts.

Last years team had more turnovers, but this years team has forced more punts. All things considered, forcing punts means the D is giving the ball back to the offense.
__________________
Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny
I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs.


Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
Posts: 52,238
RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 04:05 PM   #101
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $-785936
Thru 6 games last year, the dense was on a historic pace in terms of turnovers and points scored.
Posts: 84,255
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 04:09 PM   #102
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $-785936
I think the pass rush is just that important. Look at Seattle last year to this year.

This tear, their pass defense is way down compared to last year and is actually ranked dead last in generating pressure.
Posts: 84,255
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 04:16 PM   #103
ThaVirus ThaVirus is online now
Searching..
 
ThaVirus's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Casino cash: $-1887631
We've really got to stop hyping up our pass defense. Rivers, Manning and Locker had their way with us while Kaep did pretty well. We've only truly looked good against the pass in 2/6 games this season.

We are good at generating pressure and getting off the field on 3rd downs but that's about it.
Posts: 47,057
ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 04:19 PM   #104
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $-785936
By some of the logic in this thread, we almost beat rivers without half our team last year, should cut.
Posts: 84,255
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2014, 04:27 PM   #105
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
__
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $2033447
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city View Post
While DJ did make the big play, I have my doubts about how great his gap integrity really was.
He didn't disappear against blockers like JMJ consistently does.

JMJ had a game earlier this year with 0 tackles. That's just unheardof for his position in this defense.
Posts: 59,693
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 7 of 9 « First 3456 7 89

« Previous Thread | > Nzoner's Game Room < | Next Thread »

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:52 AM.

Contact Us - ChiefsPlanet - Archive - Top

This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Advertise with us!
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.