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Old 11-20-2014, 08:12 PM  
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Old 11-22-2014, 10:46 PM   #136
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Our offense has had some of its best games while Jamaal has been out.

Is he not worthy of his contract either?
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Old 11-22-2014, 10:46 PM   #137
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3 forced fumbles and 8 picks for a 5 year vet.

Let's be objective here.

The guy hasn't lived up to expectations.
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Old 11-22-2014, 10:47 PM   #138
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Our offense has had some of its best games while Jamaal has been out.

Is he not worthy of his contract either?
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Old 11-22-2014, 10:48 PM   #139
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Our offense has had some of its best games while Jamaal has been out.

Is he not worthy of his contract either?
That's a red herring...JC and Berry arent related to this discussion. JC is a Superstar...Berry is not.
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Old 11-22-2014, 10:49 PM   #140
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Our offense has had some of its best games while Jamaal has been out.

Is he not worthy of his contract either?
Don't be silly.

Jamaal Charles impacts every single game he plays in.

Berry is a solid defender...he isn't a top tier safety...and apart from a play or 2, very rarely impacts the win loss column.

Sorry, he just isn't the playmaking game changer we thought he would be thus far.
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Old 11-22-2014, 11:45 PM   #141
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3 forced fumbles and 8 picks for a 5 year vet.

Let's be objective here.

The guy hasn't lived up to expectations.

We've been over this too many times.

I've compared him to Earl Thomas, which is pretty dumb considering the stark contrast in the way the two are used. ET averaged something like 1.2 INT more PER SEASON than EB. Meanwhile, Berry is far more productive making plays behind the LOS in sacks and TFLs, plus he has 3 TDs in his career. That's making a hell of an impact.

I remember comparing stats for Kam Chancellor and TJ Ward as well, which makes way more sense given position and scheme and Berry has a better stat sheet than either.

Your argument of him not impacting W/L record is so paper thin it's incredible. You could literally make the same argument for DJ or Flowers. This is a team sport and each guy contributes.
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Old 11-22-2014, 11:47 PM   #142
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He has been a top tier safety as well.

He's been voted as such by fans (who are idiots, I know), his peers, and coaches in the league.

He's been awarded All-Pro status.

Any "top safety" rankings prior to this season would have included EB in the top 5 at the very least.

That's elite, brother.
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Old 11-22-2014, 11:51 PM   #143
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We've been over this too many times.

I've compared him to Earl Thomas, which is pretty dumb considering the stark contrast in the way the two are used. ET averaged something like 1.2 INT more PER SEASON than EB. Meanwhile, Berry is far more productive making plays behind the LOS in sacks and TFLs, plus he has 3 TDs in his career. That's making a hell of an impact.

I remember comparing stats for Kam Chancellor and TJ Ward as well, which makes way more sense given position and scheme and Berry has a better stat sheet than either.

Your argument of him not impacting W/L record is so paper thin it's incredible. You could literally make the same argument for DJ or Flowers. This is a team sport and each guy contributes.
Berry makes TWICE what DJ makes...dudes not worth it. Not in Sutton's scheme anyway. Cut ties..get a draft pick...better utilize the $$. For $11 million..KC could get a better player...or two.
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Old 11-23-2014, 12:02 AM   #144
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We've been over this too many times.

I've compared him to Earl Thomas, which is pretty dumb considering the stark contrast in the way the two are used. ET averaged something like 1.2 INT more PER SEASON than EB. Meanwhile, Berry is far more productive making plays behind the LOS in sacks and TFLs, plus he has 3 TDs in his career. That's making a hell of an impact.

I remember comparing stats for Kam Chancellor and TJ Ward as well, which makes way more sense given position and scheme and Berry has a better stat sheet than either.

Your argument of him not impacting W/L record is so paper thin it's incredible. You could literally make the same argument for DJ or Flowers. This is a team sport and each guy contributes.
Five sacks in five years is hardly game changing. As I pointed out earlier, he has 11 less INT's than Deron Cherry's first five years in the league.

The mere fact that the pass defense was rated #1 in the league without him means that his $8.3 million dollar salary can be better utilized on a different position.

He's not irreplaceable.
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Old 11-23-2014, 12:05 AM   #145
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Berry makes TWICE what DJ makes...dudes not worth it. Not in Sutton's scheme anyway. Cut ties..get a draft pick...better utilize the $$. For $11 million..KC could get a better player...or two.

I won't disagree with the fact that he needs to be making less but 1) there's universal agreement that DJ took a very team friendly contract and he's worth much more and 2) there's no reason to ignore logic when talking about the guy. It's like you guys literally expect an INT every game for him to live up to the expectation.

For example, go take a look at George's latest Ten Things. "What did Justin Houston do? 1 sack and 4 tackles. Not good enough" Uh, what more could you ask for?
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Old 11-23-2014, 12:06 AM   #146
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Five sacks in five years is hardly game changing. As I pointed out earlier, he has 11 less INT's than Deron Cherry's first five years in the league.

The mere fact that the pass defense was rated #1 in the league without him means that his $8.3 million dollar salary can be better utilized on a different position.

He's not irreplaceable.
Going into this year his overall numbers in the secondary were comparable to Barry Church..
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Old 11-23-2014, 12:10 AM   #147
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Going into this year his overall numbers in the secondary were comparable to Barry Church..

That's cool. Except Barry Church blows cocks and Berry doesn't..

A defender can make a hell of an impact without filling up the stat sheet. It's pretty simple for a QB to simply throw the ball away from a guy if he's doing his job.
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Old 11-23-2014, 12:39 AM   #148
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I dont have an issue with Berry per se...I think his production vs. his salary hurts the team. That's my only "iron in the fire" with this debate..
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Old 11-23-2014, 10:39 AM   #149
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The problem is we were expecting a superstar. I don't know why it's hard for people to admit that he has been far from that. The season isn't over yet though and he can help us obviously. This may sound crazy but when I watch him play I don't see passion anymore.
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Well I think whatever contract he ends up getting will be pretty favorable towards the team. I think he'll actually make less on his next contract than what he's making now. He was part of the last rookie class in getting those HUGE overpriced contracts before the new CBA.

Somewhere around 7Mil per year would be fair for Berry IMO.
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