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Old 12-15-2014, 02:50 AM   #1
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Van dyke, parker, avery, cooper, and wilson are all 4.3 guys he brought here.
It could not be more obvious that he LOVES speed and athleticism.
Al Davis routinely over drafted and overpaid players for their speed.

Dorsey has done neither based on speed alone.
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Old 12-15-2014, 03:01 AM   #2
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Al Davis routinely over drafted and overpaid players for their speed.

Dorsey has done neither based on speed.
Dee ford was graded as a second rounder by most, drafted by us in the 1st
Knile davis was projected as a 7th rounder to UDFA, drafted by us in the 3rd
Sanders Commings was projected as an udfa, drafted by us in the 5th.

I'd say those guys count as both over drafting, and over paying.... Dorsey isnt as bad as Davis, and he does look for other qualities, but he values speed and athleticism over nearly everything.
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Old 12-15-2014, 04:21 AM   #3
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Dee ford was graded as a second rounder by most, drafted by us in the 1st
Knile davis was projected as a 7th rounder to UDFA, drafted by us in the 3rd
Sanders Commings was projected as an udfa, drafted by us in the 5th.

I'd say those guys count as both over drafting, and over paying.... Dorsey isnt as bad as Davis, and he does look for other qualities, but he values speed and athleticism over nearly everything.
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Old 12-15-2014, 12:48 PM   #4
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Dee ford was graded as a second rounder by most, drafted by us in the 1st
Knile davis was projected as a 7th rounder to UDFA, drafted by us in the 3rd
Sanders Commings was projected as an udfa, drafted by us in the 5th.

I'd say those guys count as both over drafting, and over paying.... Dorsey isnt as bad as Davis, and he does look for other qualities, but he values speed and athleticism over nearly everything.
pretty sure knile had been injured... and ran a sub 4.4 at 227 lbs.


i cant find anything projecting him to be an UDFA.


commings was projected as a 4th rounder by 2 different sites.

dee ford was rated the 30th overall player in his draft and projected to go last 5 of the first to first 5 of the second.


your post is inaccurate at the least
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pretty sure knile had been injured... and ran a sub 4.4 at 227 lbs.


i cant find anything projecting him to be an UDFA.


commings was projected as a 4th rounder by 2 different sites.

dee ford was rated the 30th overall player in his draft and projected to go last 5 of the first to first 5 of the second.


your post is inaccurate at the least
I remember reading articles on how knile was a first round talent that was coming off of an injury. idk where he got that udfa shit.
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Dee ford was graded as a second rounder by most, drafted by us in the 1st
Knile davis was projected as a 7th rounder to UDFA, drafted by us in the 3rd
Sanders Commings was projected as an udfa, drafted by us in the 5th.

I'd say those guys count as both over drafting, and over paying.... Dorsey isnt as bad as Davis, and he does look for other qualities, but he values speed and athleticism over nearly everything.
I disagree completely.

And I think that Knile Davis has performed far above UDFA status, which is a joke.

It never ceases to amaze that guys like you think that bozos with nothing more than an internet domain are smarter than longtime personnel evaluators and NFL GM's.
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I disagree completely.

And I think that Knile Davis has performed far above UDFA status, which is a joke.

It never ceases to amaze that guys like you think that bozos with nothing more than an internet domain are smarter than longtime personnel evaluators and NFL GM's.
Umm yes, knile has performed beyond his draft projection. And i'm happy for that
BUT That doesn't mean it wasnt a reach at the time....

And a lot of these guys with internet domains have been doing this a very long time and have multiple inside sources. But since you place so much faith in longtime nfl evaluators and NFL GMs, Walterfootball interviewed a few gms on dee ford and they all saw him as "a late second rounder who would get picked up by a foolish team".
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Umm yes, knile has performed beyond his draft projection. And i'm happy for that
BUT That doesn't mean it wasnt a reach at the time....
Give me a break. He wasn't a "reach" and he's certainly proven his worth.

Why anyone would denigrate Dorsey for this selection is beyond me.

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And a lot of these guys with internet domains have been doing this a very long time and have multiple inside sources. But since you place so much faith in longtime nfl evaluators and NFL GMs, Walterfootball interviewed a few gms on dee ford and they all saw him as "a late second rounder who would get picked up by a foolish team".
Walter's been around since the 90's and he's still as worthless as ever. They're all hobbyists at best. They're not professional scouts that are on the road 45 weeks out of the year, helping teams evaluate players, nor is there any repercussion from their mock drafts and "analysis" because they aren't employed by an actual NFL organization.

In other words, no one is going fire Walter for saying that Knile Davis is a "bad selection", which makes his opinion(s) just like everyone else on the internet.
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Old 12-15-2014, 11:27 PM   #9
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Give me a break. He wasn't a "reach" and he's certainly proven his worth.

Why anyone would denigrate Dorsey for this selection is beyond me.



Walter's been around since the 90's and he's still as worthless as ever. They're all hobbyists at best. They're not professional scouts that are on the road 45 weeks out of the year, helping teams evaluate players, nor is there any repercussion from their mock drafts and "analysis" because they aren't employed by an actual NFL organization.

In other words, no one is going fire Walter for saying that Knile Davis is a "bad selection", which makes his opinion(s) just like everyone else on the internet.
That was the opinion of walter, that was the opinion of "a few NFL GMS".

And i'm gathering from what you're saying, is that you believe there is no such thing as a reach? The opinion of no one matters, except for NFL gms, and scouting agents. If a team drafts a guy the rest of the world thinks is an UDFA in the first round. Then the guy wasnt a reach because an NFL orginization took him.
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Umm yes, knile has performed beyond his draft projection. And i'm happy for that
BUT That doesn't mean it wasnt a reach at the time....

And a lot of these guys with internet domains have been doing this a very long time and have multiple inside sources. But since you place so much faith in longtime nfl evaluators and NFL GMs, Walterfootball interviewed a few gms on dee ford and they all saw him as "a late second rounder who would get picked up by a foolish team".
He as a reach at the time by whose standards? I know a lot of draft sites at the time had him as a 3rd/4th/5th round pick. Hardly UDFA leftover garbage like you claim he was at the time.
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He as a reach at the time by whose standards? I know a lot of draft sites at the time had him as a 3rd/4th/5th round pick. Hardly UDFA leftover garbage like you claim he was at the time.
He was graded by most as a mid round talent and the injury history would cause him to fall. If he was graded as a first round talent with an injury history, then i wouldnt consider him a reach. I never saw anyone grade him as a first round talent.

But we are kind of getting off track here. My original comparison of Dorsey and Davis, wasnt meant to be taken literally. I don't think any of his picks were horrible, or that he looks at speed alone. But it is quite clear he highly values speed, and athleticism. The chiefs probably have the fastest roster in the NFL. 3 4.3 backs, 2 4.3 Wr, 2 4.3 DBs, 2 sub 4.4 safeties, nearly all of which were brought in by dorsey.

Knile has worked out so im happy we took him. But im not going to pretend it was a good pick. The same exact way the Sherman trade didnt make sense. It worked out in the end, so it is easy to write it off as a good trade.... but it didn't make any sense....
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The same exact way the Sherman trade didnt make sense. It worked out in the end, so it is easy to write it off as a good trade.... but it didn't make any sense....
The Sherman trade made sense. It was obvious they wanted a FB, so apparently they grabbed 2 or 3 and let them battle it out. Its a shame they wasted a draft pick on the kid from Kansas State just a week prior to adding Sherman, but again, they wanted a FB. So they drafted one, and then was able to get the one they wanted. They knew they had nothing in Arenas, that's evident by how long he lasted in Arizona and now with his significant contributions with the ****tard that drafted him.
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Umm yes, knile has performed beyond his draft projection. And i'm happy for that
BUT That doesn't mean it wasnt a reach at the time....

And a lot of these guys with internet domains have been doing this a very long time and have multiple inside sources. But since you place so much faith in longtime nfl evaluators and NFL GMs, Walterfootball interviewed a few gms on dee ford and they all saw him as "a late second rounder who would get picked up by a foolish team".
What are you basing this "reach" around?

That's incredibly subjective. Apparently he wasn't a reach according to Chiefs scouts. And guess what? They were right.

That's all that matters.

Whatever your stupid draft site said doesn't matter. An NFL ball club said he was worth a 3rd and they were right.

Bottom Line.
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What are you basing this "reach" around?.
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What are you basing this "reach" around?

That's incredibly subjective. Apparently he wasn't a reach according to Chiefs scouts. And guess what? They were right.

That's all that matters.

Whatever your stupid draft site said doesn't matter. An NFL ball club said he was worth a 3rd and they were right.

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