Chiefs Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs - Page 27

cmh6476 · 12-30-2014, 11:06 AM

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

Hootie · 12-30-2014, 11:55 PM

Well ... I implore you all to be Colts fans. Andrew Luck will dig them into a hole almost every game and sometimes he'll dig them out. I'm pretty sure if Luck was a Chief we'd probably have no more than 20 wins over the past two years and some would be wondering why he turns the ball over so god damn much and why he misses open receivers (like Alex Smith did with Wilson) so much. Because, news flash, if you watch the Colts you'll see a very inconsistent QB at this point.

But you know what he gets? He has everyone saying "well the Colts have a terrible line and terrible players around him. It's a 1 man team!"

...you say anything about Alex Smith and you get bombarded with "omg that's an excuse!"

You mention Andrew Luck and his inconsistency and someone will bring up 10 excuses and say that he single-handedly got them to the playoffs ..

you know

nevermind Alex Smith took over a 2-14 team and suddenly they were in the playoffs last year

...but he had NOTHING to do with that

It's just baffling. Either QB's or responsible for wins or they aren't. Or it's somewhere in between.

What I've found out is, if Aaron/Tom or Luck struggle, it's never their fault. They are their teams.

Alex Smith has had a top 5 winning % for the last 53 games he's started and according to this board, he, the QB, the most important position in sports, has nothing to do with that he just has elite talent around him.

Just stop.

philfree · 12-31-2014, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Well ... I implore you all to be Colts fans. Andrew Luck will dig them into a hole almost every game and sometimes he'll dig them out. I'm pretty sure if Luck was a Chief we'd probably have no more than 20 wins over the past two years and some would be wondering why he turns the ball over so god damn much and why he misses open receivers (like Alex Smith did with Wilson) so much. Because, news flash, if you watch the Colts you'll see a very inconsistent QB at this point.

But you know what he gets? He has everyone saying "well the Colts have a terrible line and terrible players around him. It's a 1 man team!"

...you say anything about Alex Smith and you get bombarded with "omg that's an excuse!"

You mention Andrew Luck and his inconsistency and someone will bring up 10 excuses and say that he single-handedly got them to the playoffs ..

you know

nevermind Alex Smith took over a 2-14 team and suddenly they were in the playoffs last year

...but he had NOTHING to do with that

It's just baffling. Either QB's or responsible for wins or they aren't. Or it's somewhere in between.

What I've found out is, if Aaron/Tom or Luck struggle, it's never their fault. They are their teams.

Alex Smith has had a top 5 winning % for the last 53 games he's started and according to this board, he, the QB, the most important position in sports, has nothing to do with that he just has elite talent around him.

Just stop.

Jets fans. It doesn't matter if he sucks just draft a QB.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Alex Smith has had a top 5 winning % for the last 53 games he's started.

And he's 10-12 since the mirage of 9-0 ended.

If 2015 starts the way 2014 ended, Alex has turned back into a pumpkin.

Simply Red · 12-31-2014, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Well ... I implore you all to be Colts fans. Andrew Luck will dig them into a hole almost every game and sometimes he'll dig them out. I'm pretty sure if Luck was a Chief we'd probably have no more than 20 wins over the past two years and some would be wondering why he turns the ball over so god damn much and why he misses open receivers (like Alex Smith did with Wilson) so much. Because, news flash, if you watch the Colts you'll see a very inconsistent QB at this point.

But you know what he gets? He has everyone saying "well the Colts have a terrible line and terrible players around him. It's a 1 man team!"

...you say anything about Alex Smith and you get bombarded with "omg that's an excuse!"

You mention Andrew Luck and his inconsistency and someone will bring up 10 excuses and say that he single-handedly got them to the playoffs ..

you know

nevermind Alex Smith took over a 2-14 team and suddenly they were in the playoffs last year

...but he had NOTHING to do with that

It's just baffling. Either QB's or responsible for wins or they aren't. Or it's somewhere in between.

What I've found out is, if Aaron/Tom or Luck struggle, it's never their fault. They are their teams.

Alex Smith has had a top 5 winning % for the last 53 games he's started and according to this board, he, the QB, the most important position in sports, has nothing to do with that he just has elite talent around him.

Just stop.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

And he's 10-12 since the mirage of 9-0 ended.

If 2015 starts the way 2014 ended, Alex has turned back into a pumpkin.

you're a ****ing idiot

and Peyton Manning is 0-4 in games he lost this year

In fact, Peyton Manning is 0-77 in games he's lost in his entire career!

Wow!

0-77 !!!

Holy SHIT!

Simply Red · 12-31-2014, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Well ... I implore you all to be Colts fans. Andrew Luck will dig them into a hole almost every game and sometimes he'll dig them out. I'm pretty sure if Luck was a Chief we'd probably have no more than 20 wins over the past two years and some would be wondering why he turns the ball over so god damn much and why he misses open receivers (like Alex Smith did with Wilson) so much. Because, news flash, if you watch the Colts you'll see a very inconsistent QB at this point.

But you know what he gets? He has everyone saying "well the Colts have a terrible line and terrible players around him. It's a 1 man team!"

...you say anything about Alex Smith and you get bombarded with "omg that's an excuse!"

You mention Andrew Luck and his inconsistency and someone will bring up 10 excuses and say that he single-handedly got them to the playoffs ..

you know

nevermind Alex Smith took over a 2-14 team and suddenly they were in the playoffs last year

...but he had NOTHING to do with that

It's just baffling. Either QB's or responsible for wins or they aren't. Or it's somewhere in between.

What I've found out is, if Aaron/Tom or Luck struggle, it's never their fault. They are their teams.

Alex Smith has had a top 5 winning % for the last 53 games he's started and according to this board, he, the QB, the most important position in sports, has nothing to do with that he just has elite talent around him.

Just stop.

Don't let this get to your head - but that's an excellent post. Very cerebral. Nicely done Hootie.

Simply Red · 12-31-2014, 01:01 AM

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:05 AM

I know he can do it, I just would like to know why he has refused to do it thus far in KC? Personnel? Game plan?

Next year it has to be done. If he doesn't throw the ball down the field next year, it's time to move. It'll be 2015. You can't play 1990s football anymore. There has to be some downfield throwing incorporated into the offense.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-31-2014, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I know he can do it, I just would like to know why he has refused to do it thus far in KC? Personnel? Game plan?

Next year it has to be done. If he doesn't throw the ball down the field next year, it's time to move. It'll be 2015. You can't play 1990s football anymore. There has to be some downfield throwing incorporated into the offense.

The receivers suck. No, really, they suck. I wouldn't put any faith in them, either.

Bowe was garbage. Ball in hands, dropped. Kelce is an immature idiot. He's lucky the TD he made a few games back wasn't knocked out of his hands. Hemingway sucks. There is no other description for his WR play.

Fasano is garbage. Avant dropped easy passes with Smith and with Daniel last weekend. DAT and Wilson are far more talented but were left rotting in the bench for most of the season.

I'd expect this type of offensive output from Marty or Gansz or Herm or Haley or Crennel. But Reid? He's clearly a phony.

Although he must be a helluva salesman.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:23 AM

So

Reid won 9 games with that cast and you're calling him a phony?

Come on, man.

We played 11 teams with winning records this year. I'm as disappointed as anyone we let 7-3 and that huge win against Seattle slip away by finishing 2-4 ...

but clearly Reid is great at game planning and great at getting his team prepared. He does things on game day that are less than desirable (clock management, mostly) ...

but a phony?

This is going to be a long offseason.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-31-2014, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

So

Reid won 9 games with that cast and you're calling him a phony?

Come on, man.

We played 11 teams with winning records this year. I'm as disappointed as anyone we let 7-3 and that huge win against Seattle slip away by finishing 2-4 ...

but clearly Reid is great at game planning and great at getting his team prepared. He does things on game day that are less than desirable (clock management, mostly) ...

but a phony?

This is going to be a long offseason.

Reid is calling the offense, plain and simple. He has no input on the defense.

The Chiefs won when Reid game planned and called a great game. They lost when he called a bad game. There was no reason for losing to the Raiders after beating Seattle, no reason for losing to SF, no reason for losing to a very wounded Arizona team and so on.

Reid either works when he wants to or he's schizophrenic.

Discuss Thrower · 12-31-2014, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

So

Reid won 9 games with that cast and you're calling him a phony?

Come on, man.

We played 11 teams with winning records this year. I'm as disappointed as anyone we let 7-3 and that huge win against Seattle slip away by finishing 2-4 ...

but clearly Reid is great at game planning and great at getting his team prepared. He does things on game day that are less than desirable (clock management, mostly) ...

but a phony?

This is going to be a long offseason.

Q'ing myself, but Reid's regular season winning percentage has dropped six percent since Jim Johnson died and has been unable to win a playoff game without him, and further, Reid's teams have gone 19-24 since 2009 in games after week 8 of the season.

**Rausch** · 12-31-2014, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Reid is calling the offense, plain and simple. He has no input on the defense.

The Chiefs won when Reid game planned and called a great game. They lost when he called a bad game. There was no reason for losing to the Raiders after beating Seattle, no reason for losing to SF, no reason for losing to a very wounded Arizona team and so on.

Reid either works when he wants to or he's schizophrenic.

This, on offense.

On defense we worked miracles this year with scrubs and b/u players.

In no way can this season be blamed on the D.

We added ZERO talent in the passing game and allowed the O line to go to $#it this year...

rabblerouser · 12-31-2014, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo

Yes, and after they had the 1.1 pick, handpicked their perfect system QB for two second round picks and gave him a hefty contract, and won twenty games - we have what to show for it?

Two major second half collapses and an all-time embarrassment of a playoff loss? Am I missing something?

Get your Chiefs season tickets now???

rabblerouser · 12-31-2014, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Chiefs won when Reid game planned and called a great game. They lost when he called a bad game. There was no reason for losing to the Raiders after beating Seattle, no reason for losing to SF, no reason for losing to a very wounded Arizona team and so on.

Reid either works when he wants to or he's schizophrenic.

Reid is either schizo, completely ****ing incompetent...or he is part of the fix. That SF game was so maddening - all you have to do is RUN THE BALL.

ASK FOR A MEASUREMENT.

CHALLENGE THE SPOT.

Reid was complicit in allowing SF to crawl back into that game.

**** Fat Andy.

12-30-2014, 11:06 AM
cmh6476 Keep Camp Home! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St Joe MO Casino cash: $-853723	Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM Trent Green 2002 (32 years old) 287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old) 303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.
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12-30-2014, 11:55 PM	#391
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Well ... I implore you all to be Colts fans. Andrew Luck will dig them into a hole almost every game and sometimes he'll dig them out. I'm pretty sure if Luck was a Chief we'd probably have no more than 20 wins over the past two years and some would be wondering why he turns the ball over so god damn much and why he misses open receivers (like Alex Smith did with Wilson) so much. Because, news flash, if you watch the Colts you'll see a very inconsistent QB at this point. But you know what he gets? He has everyone saying "well the Colts have a terrible line and terrible players around him. It's a 1 man team!" ...you say anything about Alex Smith and you get bombarded with "omg that's an excuse!" You mention Andrew Luck and his inconsistency and someone will bring up 10 excuses and say that he single-handedly got them to the playoffs .. you know nevermind Alex Smith took over a 2-14 team and suddenly they were in the playoffs last year ...but he had NOTHING to do with that It's just baffling. Either QB's or responsible for wins or they aren't. Or it's somewhere in between. What I've found out is, if Aaron/Tom or Luck struggle, it's never their fault. They are their teams. Alex Smith has had a top 5 winning % for the last 53 games he's started and according to this board, he, the QB, the most important position in sports, has nothing to do with that he just has elite talent around him. Just stop.
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12-31-2014, 01:05 AM	#398
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I know he can do it, I just would like to know why he has refused to do it thus far in KC? Personnel? Game plan? Next year it has to be done. If he doesn't throw the ball down the field next year, it's time to move. It'll be 2015. You can't play 1990s football anymore. There has to be some downfield throwing incorporated into the offense.
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12-31-2014, 01:23 AM	#400
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	So Reid won 9 games with that cast and you're calling him a phony? Come on, man. We played 11 teams with winning records this year. I'm as disappointed as anyone we let 7-3 and that huge win against Seattle slip away by finishing 2-4 ... but clearly Reid is great at game planning and great at getting his team prepared. He does things on game day that are less than desirable (clock management, mostly) ... but a phony? This is going to be a long offseason.
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