Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs

[cmh6476]

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Well ... I implore you all to be Colts fans. Andrew Luck will dig them into a hole almost every game and sometimes he'll dig them out. I'm pretty sure if Luck was a Chief we'd probably have no more than 20 wins over the past two years and some would be wondering why he turns the ball over so god damn much and why he misses open receivers (like Alex Smith did with Wilson) so much. Because, news flash, if you watch the Colts you'll see a very inconsistent QB at this point.

But you know what he gets? He has everyone saying "well the Colts have a terrible line and terrible players around him. It's a 1 man team!"

...you say anything about Alex Smith and you get bombarded with "omg that's an excuse!"

You mention Andrew Luck and his inconsistency and someone will bring up 10 excuses and say that he single-handedly got them to the playoffs ..

you know

nevermind Alex Smith took over a 2-14 team and suddenly they were in the playoffs last year

...but he had NOTHING to do with that

It's just baffling. Either QB's or responsible for wins or they aren't. Or it's somewhere in between.

What I've found out is, if Aaron/Tom or Luck struggle, it's never their fault. They are their teams.

Alex Smith has had a top 5 winning % for the last 53 games he's started and according to this board, he, the QB, the most important position in sports, has nothing to do with that he just has elite talent around him.

Just stop.

if Superbowl winning QBs struggle, they're still superbowl winning QBs...we don't have to wonder if their struggles mean something, we know damn well what they are capable of

if Smith struggles, it's another vet nobody struggling and we rightly worry about what it means...he hasn't accomplished anything throughout his career (the majority of which he has stunk out loud) to mitigate our concerns


and for the love of god stop comparing him to Luck...Luck is better, end of story

and he's in his 3rd year, compare that where Smith was in his 3rd year (being a terrible bust), and it's embarrassing...Luck is still all upside, Smith is a 9 year vet who is never going to be different than what he is now, which is mediocre...and not good enough...as is ****ing obvious

[the Talking Can]

and Brady and Rogers just 'struggled' their way to the playoffs again


Smith just spent the second half of the season failing us....Mr. All I Do Is Win choked on a dick and lead us out of the playoffs, Franchise QB-style in reverse

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Palmer has Larry Fitzgerald and an Oline, and calling Johnson and Hopkins a 'better 1-2 punch than Bowe and Kelce' is like saying Montana was slightly better than Boomer Esiason in the 80s. Fitz had a WAY better supporting cast around him, and still wound up with the same record as Smith. Orton had those numbers BECAUSE they had no running game, and he retired rather than be Buffalo's starter and HE NEVER WOULD HAVE COME BACK HERE ANYWAY.

I don't care what your name is to me. You're Claynus 2 to me.

Larry Fitz is not what he once was... though he's still a quality receiver, the apparently huge gap you perceive between him and Bowe doesn't really track with reality. Larry Fitzgerald is 31 and has put up Dwayne Bowe-level numbers the past 3 years. He had 30 more yards than Bowe this season and a nearly identical YPC. He has averaged less than 12 YPC the previous two seasons, too.

The Cardinals' offensive line is a better unit than the Chiefs, but the Chiefs also would have a better OL had they kept those two 2nd round picks and used one of those on a quality OL player.

I said Fitz had better receiving options. Hopkins very good, but Johnson is also in that "Not as good as he used to be or you think he is" territory. Johnson an Hopkins combined for 161 catches and 2,146 yards (13.3 YPC). Bowe and Kelce combined for 127 catches and 1,616 yards (12.7 YPC). And they did that while garnering 37 percent of targets. Hopkins and Johnson got 56 percent of the Texans targets.

So yeah, Hopkins and Johnson are a better 1-2 punch. But it isn't this gaping cavern of a gap that you seem to think it is.

Every situation is a little bit different. I'm not saying any of those guys would have crushed the numbers that Alex Smith has put up the past two years. Just that any of them could have put up similar numbers (even if a little lesser) at a much lower cost, and it is unlikely to have really cost the Chiefs anything they "accomplished" last year or this year.

MAYBE they go 10-6 last year instead of 11-5. Still make the playoffs and still are the top wildcard.

MAYBE they lose a game this year they won. Still didn't make the playoffs, so it doesn't matter. (Unless you place great stock in a moral victory like back-to-back winning seasons).

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That's funny, because Orton has actually been the least successful of those guys.

Just go look at the stats here. I know I was surprised at how effective Fitz and Palmer were. And it's not like either one of those guys was given the keys to a Porsche offensively (though Fitzpatrick got the equivalent of a Dodge Charger).

shows you what I know! I didn't like Carson with anyone but Arians.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

if Superbowl winning QBs struggle, they're still superbowl winning QBs...we don't have to wonder if their struggles mean something, we know damn well what they are capable of

if Smith struggles, it's another vet nobody struggling and we rightly worry about what it means...he hasn't accomplished anything throughout his career (the majority of which he has stunk out loud) to mitigate our concerns


and for the love of god stop comparing him to Luck...Luck is better, end of story

and he's in his 3rd year, compare that where Smith was in his 3rd year (being a terrible bust), and it's embarrassing...Luck is still all upside, Smith is a 9 year vet who is never going to be different than what he is now, which is mediocre...and not good enough...as is ****ing obvious

You're ruining football talk on this board with posts like this.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by TheUte

But can't you see how they would have over reacted to the signing of Cutler.

****, who gives Cutler 100 million bucks. That changed market for all most any starting QB.

I do agree with you though. I guess I'm just trying to understand why it happened.

Sure, I can see how/why an NFL front office would overreact to that. Especially one with blinders on about how good Alex Smith actually is.

But that doesn't mean it's a viable excuse or any less stupid.

[Beef Supreme]

Originally Posted by Dayze

Trent passed my eye test. Alex has not.
or Casesel, which I thought was a turd 1/2 through year 2. I don't need stats to tell me when/if a QB blows. (not directed at you OP...just stating it in general)

This right here. Too much emphasis on stats these days. They don't tell the whole story.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

and Brady and Rogers just 'struggled' their way to the playoffs again


Smith just spent the second half of the season failing us....Mr. All I Do Is Win choked on a dick and lead us out of the playoffs, Franchise QB-style in reverse

well at least I'm no dumb enough to compare Alex Smith to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers

...

you're right

Reid/Dorsey were pretty stupid for choosing Smith to be their guy over Aaron Rodgers.

Dumb****s!

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I also think Trent would be insulted if he saw this thread.

[Hootie]

every draft produces an Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady

doesn't everyone know that !?!

So Reid, who has spent his entire career drafting QB's in basically ever draft, should just draft guys like Geno and Bridgewater even if he doesn't like them just because "you don't know unless you try!"

Dude has gotten a young QB both years he's been here so far PLUS Alex Smith.

You guys need to ****ing relax.

Unless you know where the secret Aaron Rodgers tree is located.

[Rausch]

So Pootie gets to mimic everything I've been saying all year and he's teh genio8us?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Honestly, I'm super relaxed about all of this because I've come to the conclusion that my generation was spoiled growing up in the Golden age of quarterbacks. There just aren't as mane elite QB'S as there was when I grew up during the 80's-90's. You get the best one you can and go for it. I can't remember outside of Geno the last time I was super hot on a college QB coming out in the draft. I'm not this year either...

I mean there's guys I like every year, but lately not many that make my eyes pop out of my head.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Der Flöprer

Honestly, I'm super relaxed about all of this because I've come to the conclusion that generation was spoiled growing up in the Golden age of quarterbacks. There just aren't as mane elite QB'S as there was when I grew up during the 80's-90's. You get the best one you can and go for it. I can't remember outside of Geno the last time I was super hot on a college QB coming out in the draft. I'm not this year either...

I mean there's guys I like every year, but lately not many that make my eyes pop out of my head.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

the problem with talking Chiefs on this board now is you have guys like Clay that troll every thread with every manipulated stat to show why Alex Smith SUCKS (instead of realistic criticism) just like what he did when he bombarded Sean Smith before he became a Chief ... and then you have a band of fragile minded reeruns like Sweet Daddy Hate who pick up on this and then start spewing off like it's Gospel ... they are the same ****ing reeruns that ruined the board for an entire offseason with Geno Smith and "choco penii" garbage. It's literally ruined Chiefs talk on this board.

I was on this board for all 17 weeks, watched all 16 games, and participated in almost no game threads, no game chats, and hardly any pre or after game chatter ... because it's just garbage now.

Clay has literally ruined it for everyone. It's not all his fault, it's more of the idiotic leeches that follow him around ... but it's terrible.

Thank God for the Royals and the fact the band of reeruns don't understand baseball enough to ruin that for me, too.

This is coming from the dumb**** who has derailed countless threads with his tired old "Fivehead has never choked, you're all Brady apologists!!!!" diatribe.

[Hootie]

I have never said "Peyton has never choked."

This board is full of Brady apologists, however. As I have proved over the last week.