Chiefs Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs - Page 33

cmh6476 · 12-30-2014, 11:06 AM

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

You can't use one argument against one guy and then completely ignore it against another guy.

Yes I can. Because that team is 4-12 with Alex. Their best RB had 500 yards, and their defense wasn't close to elite.

Andrew Luck elevates his team. Alex Smith is elevated BY his team.

Luck hasn't arrived by he's a damn sight better than average.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

In what world is that Colts team anything without Andrew Luck?

He is the reason they are any good. 100%.

In what world do the Colts have less talent on offense than the Chiefs?

???

Why is it, with that offense, it's ok for Luck to turn the ball over as many times as he did?

The Colts lost to all 4 elite teams they played in lopsided games.

Andrew Luck is not yet elite. And I'm tired of hearing he is and I'm tired of him getting excuses.

HE HAD 24 TURNOVERS THIS YEAR.

24.

He plays in the worst division in the AFC.

His stats are bloated because half of his games came against shit competition (20:2 against the shittiest teams on his schedule), and the other half of his games the games were so lopsided he played catch up and amassed a shit ton of yards and garbage TD's against prevent defense (see Denver, New England, Pitt).

They freaking kept him in against NE for no reason other than so he could extend his streak of 300+ yard passing games. It was a joke.

Stop quoting his stats as why he's elite. His stats are bloated and non-representative of the year he truly had.

He was arguably better as a rookie than he was this year.

Reerun_KC · 12-31-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

Yes I can. Because that team is 4-12 with Alex. Their best RB had 500 yards, and their defense wasn't close to elite.

Andrew Luck elevates his team. Alex Smith is elevated BY his team.

Luck hasn't arrived by he's a damn sight better than average.

Because Reid.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Der Flöprer

I think what he's trying to tell you is that they really aren't all that good. They're a product of their schedule and division.

And last year Luck beat Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson in shootouts. His rookie season he did it to Rodgers.

That team is in the playoffs three years straight because of Andrew Luck.

Next year he'll probably be the best QB in the AFC.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

Yes I can. Because that team is 4-12 with Alex. Their best RB had 500 yards, and their defense wasn't close to elite.

Andrew Luck elevates his team. Alex Smith is elevated BY his team.

Luck hasn't arrived by he's a damn sight better than average.

That's ridiculous.

Absolutely ridiculous.

Ahmad Bradshaw was a more than competent RB this year for the Colts. They tried to go to a no huddle shotgun offense a quarter of the way through the season which proved to be ineffective since Andrew turns the ball over at a Mark Sanchez clip.

You can't compare the two teams because they run different offenses.

Andrew Luck >>> Alex Smith

Everyone knows that.

Andrew Luck is right smack dab in the Eli / Rivers tier. That's really good, that's not elite.

and people who think he's elite right now are grossly misinformed

WhiteWhale · 12-31-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

In what world do the Colts have less talent on offense than the Chiefs?

???

Why is it, with that offense, it's ok for Luck to turn the ball over as many times as he did?

The Colts lost to all 4 elite teams they played in lopsided games.

Andrew Luck is not yet elite. And I'm tired of hearing he is and I'm tired of him getting excuses.

HE HAD 24 TURNOVERS THIS YEAR.

24.

He plays in the worst division in the AFC.

His stats are bloated because half of his games came against shit competition (20:2 against the shittiest teams on his schedule), and the other half of his games the games were so lopsided he played catch up and amassed a shit ton of yards and garbage TD's against prevent defense (see Denver, New England, Pitt).

They freaking kept him in against NE for no reason other than so he could extend his streak of 300+ yard passing games. It was a joke.

Stop quoting his stats as why he's elite. His stats are bloated and non-representative of the year he truly had.

He was arguably better as a rookie than he was this year.

Alex has only demonstrated that he can succeed while crutched with a good defense and running game.

I agree they have more passing weapons, but I don't think Alex could operate in those conditions either. When Alex throws 35 + times, KC was 0-5. When Luck threw more than 35 times the Colts were 8-3.

KC wins the less Alex does, and the opposite is true with Luck.

He's rising quickly, but I'm not sure there are 11 guys better.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Andrew Luck is right smack dab in the Eli / Rivers tier. That's really good, that's not elite.

and people who think he's elite right now are grossly misinformed

We actually agree then. I'm not sure what the debate is.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

And last year Luck beat Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson in shootouts. His rookie season he did it to Rodgers.

That team is in the playoffs three years straight because of Andrew Luck.

Next year he'll probably be the best QB in the AFC.

QBR: 65 / 62 / 63
Turnovers: 26 / 14 / 24

That team isn't in the playoffs 3 straight years because of Andrew Luck.

They are in the playoffs because they share a division with Tennessee, Jacksonville and Houston.

Comparatively,

Eli Manning QBR: 69 / 37 (lol) / 71

Eli, who was ok in 2012 and 2014 (not elite), posted better QBR's than Andrew Luck.

Enough is enough.

No more excuses, no more crowning the guy. If he's not elite next year, then it's fair to say that, at this point in Luck's career, he's been really good, but nowhere near the hype.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

And last year Luck beat Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson in shootouts. His rookie season he did it to Rodgers.

That team is in the playoffs three years straight because of Andrew Luck.

Next year he'll probably be the best QB in the AFC.

I won't argue that. I believe he's going to be the premier qb in the league without question. The last month, he's been Chuck Pagano's Cancer...

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:39 PM

I already did my 2015 QB 1 year rankings (they don't take young/old or future into account):

1. Wilson
2. Rodgers
GAP
3. Brady
4. P. Manning
5. Roethlisberger
6. Romo
7. Brees
8. Rivers
9. Luck
10. E. Manning

WhiteWhale · 12-31-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

We actually agree then. I'm not sure what the debate is.

Apparently semantics.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:41 PM

and I can't wait for these playoffs

because the following guys do not have an excuse:

Rodgers
Brady
P. Manning
Luck
Romo

So I look forward to judging their respective postseasons without bias

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-31-2014, 01:43 PM

The Colts are the most one dimensional team in the NFL. They don't even have the whiff of a threat of a running game. That makes things significantly more difficult for Luck. Their defense is also markedly worse than KC's.

Hootie is being duplicitous. For years he said there was no difference between Marvin Harrison and Eddie Kennison. Now, Luck is surrounded by talent because they put up big numbers with him? Which one is it?

Luck's line is worse than KC's (he gets hit more than any QB in football) his running backs are the worst in the NFL (KC has arguably the best), his primary TE is worse.

The only thing he has better than Smith are his receivers. His defense isn't in the same galaxy as KC's.

If you put 2014 Andrew Luck on this Chiefs team it's 14-2. If you put 2014 Alex Smith on the Colts they're 5-11.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Colts are the most one dimensional team in the NFL. They don't even have the whiff of a threat of a running game. That makes things significantly more difficult for Luck. Their defense is also markedly worse than KC's.

Hootie is being duplicitous. For years he said there was no difference between Marvin Harrison and Eddie Kennison. Now, Luck is surrounded by talent because they put up big numbers with him? Which one is it?

Luck's line is worse than KC's (he gets hit more than any QB in football) his running backs are the worst in the NFL (KC has arguably the best), his primary TE is worse.

The only thing he has better than Smith are his receivers. His defense isn't in the same galaxy as KC's.

If you put 2014 Andrew Luck on this Chiefs team it's 14-2. If you put 2014 Alex Smith on the Colts they're 5-11.

omfg

this is ridiculous

Luck has a worse line than KC?

Dwayne Allen and Coby Fleener are really worse than Fasano and Kelce?

Ahmad Bradshaw was really that bad?

Shit, I'll give you Charles >>>>>> than anything Indy had. Bradshaw and Knile Davis were about a wash.

The receivers? Donte Moncrief probably would have made our team exponentially better, but that's on Dorsey. And I won't even mention T.Y. Hilton.

But I'm tired of guys like Luck getting excuses.

Why?

Why does he get an excuse because his offense sucked?

Peyton threw 55 TD's with an undrafted LT last year taking over for Clady. He was sacked his usual less than 20 times and took his usual almost not hits.

Luck takes too many hits because he holds the ball too long. So does Smith. So does Rodgers.

When people start realizing QB's who take sacks are ruining offensive drives where you only get about 10 per game ... they'll start to realize how valuable Peyton Manning really is ... a guy who never puts his team in a 3rd and unmanageable.

I'm so, so, so tired of Andrew Luck, who turns the ball over 20 times per year on average, getting pass after pass after pass because he was an elite prospect.

He doesn't do more with less than Manning or Brady. He's just not NEARLY as good as they are.

Peyton Manning would have still won more games with that Indy team than Andrew Luck.

Wanna know why?

BECAUSE HE'S BETTER THAN LUCK.

Peyton would have won between 11 and 14 games on all 32 NFL teams this year.

Andrew Luck regressed this year. That's not a great sign. He was supposed to be the next HOF once in a generation QB. He hasn't lived up to the hype. Right now, he's simply the next Eli Manning with mobility.

Stop making excuses for these guys. It's ridiculous.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 01:51 PM

QB's who get every excuse in the book:

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Andrew Luck

It needs to stop. These three have no reason not to play lights out in this postseason.

I can't wait until Luck loses to Cincy, turns the ball over 2-4 times, and then everyone says, "well he's a 1 man team!"

12-30-2014, 11:06 AM
cmh6476 Keep Camp Home! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St Joe MO Casino cash: $-853723	Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM Trent Green 2002 (32 years old) 287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old) 303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.
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12-31-2014, 01:39 PM	#490
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I already did my 2015 QB 1 year rankings (they don't take young/old or future into account): 1. Wilson 2. Rodgers GAP 3. Brady 4. P. Manning 5. Roethlisberger 6. Romo 7. Brees 8. Rivers 9. Luck 10. E. Manning
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12-31-2014, 01:41 PM	#492
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and I can't wait for these playoffs because the following guys do not have an excuse: Rodgers Brady P. Manning Luck Romo So I look forward to judging their respective postseasons without bias
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12-31-2014, 01:43 PM	#493
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7239572	The Colts are the most one dimensional team in the NFL. They don't even have the whiff of a threat of a running game. That makes things significantly more difficult for Luck. Their defense is also markedly worse than KC's. Hootie is being duplicitous. For years he said there was no difference between Marvin Harrison and Eddie Kennison. Now, Luck is surrounded by talent because they put up big numbers with him? Which one is it? Luck's line is worse than KC's (he gets hit more than any QB in football) his running backs are the worst in the NFL (KC has arguably the best), his primary TE is worse. The only thing he has better than Smith are his receivers. His defense isn't in the same galaxy as KC's. If you put 2014 Andrew Luck on this Chiefs team it's 14-2. If you put 2014 Alex Smith on the Colts they're 5-11.
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12-31-2014, 01:51 PM	#495
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	QB's who get every excuse in the book: 1. Tom Brady 2. Aaron Rodgers 3. Andrew Luck It needs to stop. These three have no reason not to play lights out in this postseason. I can't wait until Luck loses to Cincy, turns the ball over 2-4 times, and then everyone says, "well he's a 1 man team!"
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