LNBS: Can Alex Smith be "Fixed"?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The anti-QB contingent is going to get exactly the franchise they deserve.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

The anti-QB contingent is going to get exactly the franchise they deserve.

See, the problem here is that you think that there is an "anti-QB contingent."

There really isn't.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

See, the problem here is that you think that there is an "anti-QB contingent."

There really isn't.

Uh huh.

This thread is proof enough. You need a QB that elevates the play of those around him to contend for titles. Instead people are looking to rookies and possible FA targets to elevate the QB's play.

It's the same things that were said about Cassel... And Huard...

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Uh huh.

This thread is proof enough. You need a QB that elevates the play of those around him to contend for titles. Instead people are looking to rookies and possible FA targets to elevate the QB's play.

It's the same things that were said about Cassel... And Huard...

I'd argue that Smith has elevated the play of those around him. Quite easily.

This team, with basically the same starters, went 2-14 in 2013 and set NFL and franchise records for ineptitude. They were, without question, the worst team in football. And it wasn't close.

Yet, that team was comprised of super studs like Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Eric Berry, Brandon Albert, Dontari Poe, et al.

Within one season, you go from that horrific 2-14 to 11-5 and the playoffs. Sure, the schedule was a piece of cake, but that's a hell of a turn around in a single season. I believe it actually tied the NFL record for best turnaround in a single season. And what was the singular difference between that season and the previous one? I'll give you a hint:



(And in that playoff game, that new QB sets franchise records for QB playoff performance.)

Then, the next season, when faced with the NFL's toughest schedule, they go 9-7 and on the verge of the playoffs even though they lost four main players to IR.

Tell me that's not elevating the players around you.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'd argue that Smith has elevated the play of those around him. Quite easily.

This team, with basically the same starters, went 2-14 in 2013 and set NFL and franchise records for ineptitude. They were, without question, the worst team in football. And it wasn't close.

Yet, that team was comprised of super studs like Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Eric Berry, Brandon Albert, Dontari Poe, et al.

Within one season, you go from that horrific 2-14 to 11-5 and the playoffs. Sure, the schedule was a piece of cake, but that's a hell of a turn around in a single season. I believe it actually tied the NFL record for best turnaround in a single season. And what was the singular difference between that season and the previous one? I'll give you a hint:



(And in that playoff game, that new QB sets franchise records for QB playoff performance.)

Then, the next season, when faced with the NFL's toughest schedule, they go 9-7 and on the verge of the playoffs even though they lost four main players to IR.

Tell me that's not elevating the players around you.

Nope. That was "new car smell" for an already talented roster. Smith only mildly peed in the back seat.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Nope. That was "new car smell" for an already talented roster. Smith only mildly peed in the back seat.

The defense went from complete ass to playing at a historic level for 9 of the 11 wins in 2013, but it was Captain Mormon's doing.

Comical.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Nope. That was "new car smell" for an already talented roster. Smith only mildly peed in the back seat.

Bullshit and you know it.

How long has Charles been on the roster and has been considered one of the best RB's in the league?

How long has Dwayne Bowe been on the roster? Everyone around here thinks he's the greatest WR in NFL history and it's Smith that's ruined him. What's Bowe's Win-Loss record before Smith? Etc, etc., etc.

But yet, when Smith gets here, we have the first back to back winning seasons for the first time in nearly 20 years.

Weird.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Bullshit and you know it.

How long has Charles been on the roster and has been considered one of the best RB's in the league?

How long has Dwayne Bowe been on the roster? Everyone around here thinks he's the greatest WR in NFL history and it's Smith that's ruined him. What's Bowe's Win-Loss record before Smith? Etc, etc., etc.

But yet, when Smith gets here, we have the first back to back winning seasons for the first time in nearly 20 years.

Weird.

With a solid O line and legit playmakers at WR we could compete for one now.

Our defense is good enough already...

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'd argue that Smith has elevated the play of those around him. Quite easily.

This team, with basically the same starters, went 2-14 in 2013 and set NFL and franchise records for ineptitude. They were, without question, the worst team in football. And it wasn't close.

Yet, that team was comprised of super studs like Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Eric Berry, Brandon Albert, Dontari Poe, et al.

Within one season, you go from that horrific 2-14 to 11-5 and the playoffs. Sure, the schedule was a piece of cake, but that's a hell of a turn around in a single season. I believe it actually tied the NFL record for best turnaround in a single season. And what was the singular difference between that season and the previous one? I'll give you a hint:



(And in that playoff game, that new QB sets franchise records for QB playoff performance.)

Then, the next season, when faced with the NFL's toughest schedule, they go 9-7 and on the verge of the playoffs even though they lost four main players to IR.

Tell me that's not elevating the players around you.

Matt Cassel / Tyler Palko / Kyle Orton went 7-9 with Thomas Jones and Jackie Battle at HB, Jake O'Connell at tight end, Bowe and Baldwin at WR with a defense that started Jon McGraw and Sabby Piscatelli at safety.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Uh huh.

This thread is proof enough. You need a QB that elevates the play of those around him to contend for titles. Instead people are looking to rookies and possible FA targets to elevate the QB's play.

It's the same things that were said about Cassel... And Huard...

This is said alot around here, but how many qbs actually do that or are asked to do that 3 very game for said team to be successful?

Rodgers is. Luck is.

Other than that, who does it as much as cp seems to demand a qb have too?

This isn't about Smith elevating those around him. It's about him playing as well as the talent around him is playing. He didn't do that enough this year.

But put a team on their back and carry it to a superbowl? There are maybe 5 guys in the league that can do that. Maybe 5.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

This is said alot around here, but how many qbs actually do that or are asked to do that 3 very game for said team to be successful?

Rodgers is. Luck is.

Other than that, who does it as much as cp seems to demand a qb have too?

This isn't about Smith elevating those around him. It's about him playing as well as the talent around him is playing. He didn't do that enough this year.

But put a team on their back and carry it to a superbowl? There are maybe 5 guys in the league that can do that. Maybe 5.

I think you are being generous.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I think you are being generous.

I think there are guys who can do it, but don't or aren't asked to as much as luck and rodgers.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think there are guys who can do it, but don't or aren't asked to as much as luck and rodgers.

How many Super Bowls has Aaron Rogers been in?

Other than that amazing 2011 run, Rogers hasn't been a world beater in the playoffs.

How many has Luck?

Like I said, I think you are being generous.

Brady. Roelisberger. Warner. Aikman. Elway. Kelly. Montana. Bradshaw. Tarkenton. Greise. Manning.

Those are the dudes, as it stands, that have done that.

But **** Smith because he's not that guy. We should have that guy. Every draft. Every free agency period.