Football Pats Cheating Comfirmed - Page 82

PizzaDoughz · 01-20-2015, 10:38 PM

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-23-2015, 05:27 PM

Ok serious question:

is the OP's title correct?

is it REALLY confirmed that the pats cheated?

I am not following this story that closely

I understand the balls pressure were low but has it been confirmed 100% this was some intentional cheating? did the refs actually 100% say they checked the balls before kickoff?

(I noticed they checked the balls AT half time....but did they check them before the game and the pressure was fine?)

MagicHef · 01-23-2015, 05:28 PM

Looking through that fumble data, I realized that he's doing offensive plays over total fumbles. The problem with that is that fumbles can also occur on kick-off/punt returns. This is not only a general problem, but it is concerning in this case because those plays wouldn't involve the Patriots' special ball, the players would be using a normal kicking ball.

So, I went through his data for each team over the last 5 years, and took out all of the fumbles that occurred on special teams, so we can look at just fumbles per offensive play, with each team using their quarterback's preferred ball. If you looked at at the original analysis, this was the ONLY metric (plays per fumble over the last 5 years) where the Patriots did not rank #1.

As you can see, 29 teams are grouped pretty closely, between 44.8 and 71.9 plays per fumble. The 3 teams at the end are New Orleans (80.7), Atlanta (91.5), and New England (101). Not only does New England lead the league, they are the only outdoor team in the top 3.

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-23-2015, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Looking through that fumble data, I realized that he's doing offensive plays over total fumbles. The problem with that is that fumbles can also occur on kick-off/punt returns. This is not only a general problem, but it is concerning in this case because those plays wouldn't involve the Patriots' special ball, the players would be using a normal kicking ball.

So, I went through his data for each team over the last 5 years, and took out all of the fumbles that occurred on special teams, so we can look at just fumbles per offensive play, with each team using their quarterback's preferred ball. If you looked at at the original analysis, this was the ONLY metric (plays per fumble over the last 5 years) where the Patriots did not rank #1.

As you can see, 29 teams are grouped pretty closely, between 44.8 and 71.9 plays per fumble. The 3 teams at the end are New Orleans (80.7), Atlanta (91.5), and New England (101). Not only does New England lead the league, they are the only outdoor team in the top 3.

correct me if I am wrong but wouldnt the patriots LEAD that same graph in #of punt returns(due to more forcing punts,) per offensive play as well? so they would have more opportunities per offensive play to fumble?

MagicHef · 01-23-2015, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

correct me if I am wrong but wouldnt the patriots LEAD that same graph in #of kickoffs (due to more kickoffs, more scoring) per offensive play as well? so they would have more opportunities per offensive play to fumble?

What?

Number of kickoffs per play?

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-23-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

What?

Number of kickoffs per play?

kickoffs and punt returns - total?

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-23-2015, 05:36 PM

i am just wondering like if new england stops the opponents more, and forces more punts maybe they do more punt returns on average? i dunno..just a thought

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-23-2015, 05:37 PM

Oh wait maybe i read that wrong...so that graph has all special teams fumbles removed???

oops my bad, i didnt read that right at all

LOL

Interesting chart though....wow

crazy how much of an outlier they are

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-23-2015, 05:42 PM

I mean if that chart is correct the pats and saints and even atlanta are EXTREMELY deviated from the mean...

i am not going to do a standard deviation, i will leave that to others but jesus it seems like the pats are like 3 standard deviations(rough estimate) away from the mean...which has a VERY VERY low chance (less than 1%) almost to the point where they would be an outlier that would be ignored

MagicHef · 01-23-2015, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Oh wait maybe i read that wrong...so that graph has all special teams fumbles removed???

oops my bad, i didnt read that right at all

LOL

Interesting chart though....wow

crazy how much of an outlier they are

Yes, I removed kicking plays because the Patriots wouldn't be able to use their own footballs for those plays.

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-23-2015, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Yes, I removed kicking plays because the Patriots wouldn't be able to use their own footballs for those plays.

nice

that is absolutely crazy

i mean it looks downright fishy, and Im certainly not a 'hater' or anything

**petegz28** · 01-23-2015, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You mean like the Broncos who had to send their entire OL to remove their Vaseline covers jerseys and then got busted for salary cap violations during their SB years?

And nobody talks about it or gives a shit now.

I was at that game. The bullshit that ensued from the league was worse than the cheating.

The Broncos were allowed to go to the sidelines and "wipe off". They should have been all tossed from the game at worst but at the least, made to shower and change jerseys and oh yea, BTW, we aren't holding up the game for you, either.

**morphius** · 01-23-2015, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I was at that game. The bullshit that ensued from the league was worse than the cheating.

The Broncos were allowed to go to the sidelines and "wipe off". They should have been all tossed from the game at worst but at the least, made to shower and change jerseys and oh yea, BTW, we aren't holding up the game for you, either.

Not to mention they missed the TD call by TG. That entire thing was a screw job.

**petegz28** · 01-23-2015, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius

Not to mention they missed the TD call by TG. That entire thing was a screw job.

Actually dude was out of bounds. Now, did his toe touch down before his heel? Too close to call but he was out. I would say more that they ****ed us with a holding call on a FG attempt.

Brock · 01-23-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Actually dude was out of bounds. Now, did his toe touch down before his heel? Too close to call but he was out. I would say more that they ****ed us with a holding call on a FG attempt.

He was pushed out of bounds.

**wazu** · 01-23-2015, 08:15 PM

They way for the Patriots can be saved now is Blount comes forward and confesses.

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01-23-2015, 05:27 PM	#1216
Ming the Merciless Emporer of Mongo Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Milky Way Casino cash: $-592444	Ok serious question: is the OP's title correct? is it REALLY confirmed that the pats cheated? I am not following this story that closely I understand the balls pressure were low but has it been confirmed 100% this was some intentional cheating? did the refs actually 100% say they checked the balls before kickoff? (I noticed they checked the balls AT half time....but did they check them before the game and the pressure was fine?) __________________ ---- 2018 Adopt-A-Chief : Chris Conley 2017 Adopt-A-Chief : FRANK ZOMBO Click here-->*The Holy Chiefsplanet Lexicon **
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01-23-2015, 05:28 PM	#1217
MagicHef The Seated Villain Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle Casino cash: $540247	Looking through that fumble data, I realized that he's doing offensive plays over total fumbles. The problem with that is that fumbles can also occur on kick-off/punt returns. This is not only a general problem, but it is concerning in this case because those plays wouldn't involve the Patriots' special ball, the players would be using a normal kicking ball. So, I went through his data for each team over the last 5 years, and took out all of the fumbles that occurred on special teams, so we can look at just fumbles per offensive play, with each team using their quarterback's preferred ball. If you looked at at the original analysis, this was the ONLY metric (plays per fumble over the last 5 years) where the Patriots did not rank #1. As you can see, 29 teams are grouped pretty closely, between 44.8 and 71.9 plays per fumble. The 3 teams at the end are New Orleans (80.7), Atlanta (91.5), and New England (101). Not only does New England lead the league, they are the only outdoor team in the top 3. __________________ With a sack in 61% of his games, SB MVP Von Miller is the most consistent pass rusher in NFL history.
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01-23-2015, 05:36 PM	#1221
Ming the Merciless Emporer of Mongo Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Milky Way Casino cash: $-592444	i am just wondering like if new england stops the opponents more, and forces more punts maybe they do more punt returns on average? i dunno..just a thought __________________ ---- 2018 Adopt-A-Chief : Chris Conley 2017 Adopt-A-Chief : FRANK ZOMBO Click here-->*The Holy Chiefsplanet Lexicon **
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01-23-2015, 05:37 PM	#1222
Ming the Merciless Emporer of Mongo Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Milky Way Casino cash: $-592444	Oh wait maybe i read that wrong...so that graph has all special teams fumbles removed??? oops my bad, i didnt read that right at all LOL Interesting chart though....wow crazy how much of an outlier they are __________________ ---- 2018 Adopt-A-Chief : Chris Conley 2017 Adopt-A-Chief : FRANK ZOMBO Click here-->*The Holy Chiefsplanet Lexicon **
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01-23-2015, 05:42 PM	#1223
Ming the Merciless Emporer of Mongo Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Milky Way Casino cash: $-592444	I mean if that chart is correct the pats and saints and even atlanta are EXTREMELY deviated from the mean... i am not going to do a standard deviation, i will leave that to others but jesus it seems like the pats are like 3 standard deviations(rough estimate) away from the mean...which has a VERY VERY low chance (less than 1%) almost to the point where they would be an outlier that would be ignored __________________ ---- 2018 Adopt-A-Chief : Chris Conley 2017 Adopt-A-Chief : FRANK ZOMBO Click here-->*The Holy Chiefsplanet Lexicon **
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01-23-2015, 08:15 PM	#1230
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1597705 VARSITY	They way for the Patriots can be saved now is Blount comes forward and confesses.
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