Pats Cheating Comfirmed

[PizzaDoughz]

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

[GoChargers]

According to Belicheat:

- Despite pleading complete ignorance to the whole thing two days ago, he is now a world-renowned physicist today who knows what he's talking about.

- The laws of physics apply to the Cheatriots, but somehow not to the Colts.

- Superman is apparently an employee of the Cheatriot organization, and they have him rub down the footballs to generate enough friction to drop the PSI by 2.

- Even though he's already been caught once and is always trying to push the limit of the rulebook, he is not a cheater and always tries to steer clear of "the line."

He's a joke, and Boston fans are an even bigger joke for buying into this bullshit he's spewing. The only truth to that press conference was that Belicheat handles a lot of balls, but I doubt it's the meaning he was intending.

[Ming the Merciless]

The whole reason I asked what I did (what EXACTLY did walt do with the balls, and why did they only announce they checked them at half time???) is this:

If walt & crew VISUALLY checked them pre-game and handled a few of them...and then cleared them for play anyway becausethey 'felt OK'...then really this whole thing is on the refs...

If they ONLY busted out the PSI gauge after 30 minutes into the game, then this cannot be pinned on the pats.

I dont get how theyre announcing that the DID check the PSI at half time, and corrected the problem at half time...but havent announced what the did EXACTLY during pre-game.

According to the rules, they shouldve checked the PSI pre game, and had the balls secured until game time.

I personally think they failed to do that pre-game, and thats why there is a delay...and thats why they came out and SPECIFICALLY said "hey we checked them and corrected this at half time"

WHy is it taking them so long to just say exactly what the timeline REALLY was with where the balls were...it should be simple to account for if the refs followed thew rules.

[petegz28]

Belichick went on to explain in great detail the process the team goes through to prepare footballs for a game and went on explain why a football's PSI could change due to atmospheric conditions.

"It's similar to the concept of when you get into your car and the light comes on and it says low tire pressure, because the car has been sitting in the driveway outside overnight, and you start it up and start driving it, and the light goes off -- it's a similar concept to that.

"So the atmospheric conditions, as well as the true equilibrium of the ball, is critical to the measurement. In no, at no time were any of our footballs prepared anywhere other than in the locker room or in an area very close to that. Never in a heated room or heated condition that has

The guy really said this. But somehow, the Colts' footballs weren't effected by the exact same weather. It's magic!

[FloridaMan88]

So if we are to believe Belichick, the weather and "atmospheric conditions" only affected the Patriots footballs, but not the Colts footballs.

Does Scientist Bill care to explain how that is possible?

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So if we are to believe Belichick, the weather and "atmospheric conditions" only affected the Patriots footballs, but not the Colts footballs.

Does Scientist Bill care to explain how that is possible?

theres quite a few ways it could be possible

- the colts balls couldve been inflated at the high range of the acceptable limit, then fell and were still at minimum

- the colts balls couldve been checked when they were cold

- the pats balls couldve bneen checked initially at a warmer temp

-the pats balls couldve initially been inflated to within limits, then fell UNDER limits during outdoor temps

-the refs may have not checked any of the balls thoroughly until half time




until i see a timeline with the procedures of exactly what balls were checked pre-game , and where etc..I'm ok with keeping an open mind...

I mean they only came out and said they thoroughly checked and corrected balls 30 minutes into the game...but I cant find diddly about what they did PRE GAME...

Why?

WHy not wait to see the ref's write up or the NFL report?

[FloridaMan88]

Does the dumbshit Patriots fan, Assonrix who graces this board, attempting to defend his beloved Patriots care to justify Belichick's comments today?

Explain how the weather and "atmospheric conditions" can only affect the Patriots football but not the Colts footballs (as Belichick wants everyone to believe).

Defend your coach, Assonrix.

[GoChargers]

The temperature was unseasonably warm that night and barely changed throughout the game, certainly nowhere near enough to explain a 2 PSI drop. He's lying.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Does the dumbshit Patriots, Assonrix fan who graces this board, attempting to defend his beloved Patriots care to justify Belichick's comments today?

Explain how the weather and "atmospheric conditions" can only affect the Patriots football but not the Colts footballs (as Belichick wants everyone to believe).

Defend your coach, Assonrix.

The Boston media/fan spin is that Belicheat "just owned the media and the haters," without going into specifics about how he "owned" them of course.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

The temperature was unseasonably warm that night and barely changed throughout the game, certainly not enough to explain a 2 PSI drop. He's lying.

what if the balls were 1 PSI under, and the refs failed to spot it pre game, and then they dropped another 1 psi during the next 240 or so minutes? (120 pre game + 120 or so of game time plus half time)


is this still the pats fault?

In my eyes, no

and in my eyes this is a reasonable explanation...

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The guy really said this. But somehow, the Colts' footballs weren't effected by the exact same weather. It's magic!

And that is the most damaging evidence. One teams footballs were all good and the others were not. It's not possible the Pats footballs were not deflated by someone when the Colts footballs kept the proper pressure over four hours.

Simple logic will tell you that.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

what if the balls were 1 PSI under, and the refs failed to spot it pre game, and then they dropped another 1 psi during 30 minutes?

and only caught it after 30 additional minutes of outdoor temps?

is this still the pats fault?

In my eyes, no

Seriously?

If it was just one or two footballs affected, you could explain it away as being affected by weather conditions… but not all 12 footballs.

There is no rational way to claim that all 12 footballs for the Patriots were deflated by the weather conditions yet none of the footballs for the Colts… in the SAME weather conditions were deflated.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

And that is the most damaging evidence. One teams footballs were all good and the others were not. It's not possible the Pats footballs were not deflated by someone when the Colts footballs kept the proper pressure over four hours.

Simple logic will tell you that.

this is silly

theres no way to know what you are claiming unless you know the STARTING temps/psi were EXACTLY the same...

in fact it would almost be impossible for the balls to read the exact same PSI

theres a range of acceptable PSI levels....if andrew luck (like AAron rogers) likes his balls inflated more, and brady likes his less...they already start out at different PSI levels...

and that doesnt take into account temps either....they couldve been inflated in different temp areas....

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

what if the balls were 1 PSI under, and the refs failed to spot it pre game, and then they dropped another 1 psi during the next 240 or so minutes? (120 pre game + 120 or so of game time plus half time)


is this still the pats fault?

In my eyes, no

Except that's physically impossible. The Weather Channel just had someone on to explain that it would have to be 20 degrees outside for PSI just to change by 0.1 to 0.2 per hour. Given that it was actually about 50 degrees outside during the game, the change in PSI would therefore be a LOT less significant and certainly not enough to explain being 2 PSI under the NFL's limit at halftime.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Seriously?

If it was just one or two footballs affected, you could explain it away as being affected by weather conditions… but not all 12 footballs.

There is no rational way to claim that all 12 footballs for the Patriots were deflated by the weather conditions yet none of the footballs for the Colts… in the SAME weather conditions were deflated.

each team provides 12 balls.

think about it...

if the colts balls were prepared at a high PSI , in a colder environment...they absolutely would read differently when they were CHECKED

if the pats balls were already on the low end, and filled in a warm room...then by the time 4 more hours went by (2 hours pre game plus a couple hours for hgame and half time) in a colder environ...it could explain that the pats dropped below specs and the colts were still above


without knowing the exact details, some of the claims you are making that you 'know' this stuff are simply impossible

I need to see the details before I am gonna run my mouth and say I 'know' something...

I mean you could be right, but dont pretend youre doing anything other than speculating unless you have the facts man.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

Except that's physically impossible. The Weather Channel just had someone on to explain that it would have to be 20 degrees outside for PSI just to change by 0.1 to 0.2 per hour. Given that it was actually about 50 degrees outside during the game, the change in PSI would therefore be a LOT less significant and certainly not enough to explain being 2 PSI under the NFL's limit at halftime.

well im not convinced yet

I would like to see IF they even checked the balls pre game, and how they did it..etc and if the balls were in different spots...

I'm not gonna proclaim I know something when I don't.

Feel free to continue to do so, though...I already provided you with reasonable examples.