Pats Cheating Comfirmed

[PizzaDoughz]

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I have already stated multiple times that it looks bad for Brady...

I never once claimed I know the truth here, I am just speculating like everyone else.

Theres only a couple people moronic enough to claim they know all the answers and have the truth.

I am just saying it seems to be at least some possibility that weather/temeperature caused a PSI drop ....

I really dont care what the outcome is...but I do care about the truth...

I'd like to know exactly wtf happened and not just guess...but I mean hey each to their own. Personally I'd like some facts.

Good luck with the "facts". The facts are in the hands of the man who works for the owners and who is really close with one owner who already demanded a public apology if there is no Zapruder film.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You know what's a lot less hard to imagine? Brady cheated.

To you, to haters, to green-eyed monsters. If Brady was your QB you wouldn't be saying that. You'd act like every Patriot fan giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's natural and human.

On one hand you have a team that is always looking for an edge and lives for bending rules.

Using "always" is exaggeration and hyperbole not based on fact...in terms of bending rules. Looking for an edge, though? Nothing wrong with that.

You have a QB who didn't categorically deny that he cheated.

He pretty much did. But it's not easy being green. That emotion, like the emotion of anger, tends to only hear and report selected things.

On the other hand we have laws of physics that apply only to one sideline of the stadium and not the other, defective pressure gauges, excessive rubbing of the balls, different ambient air in the locker rooms, an easterly wind blowing more precipitation on the Pats side of the field, Gronkowski squeezing the ball too hard and a billion other excuses.

It's not illegal to rub balls. That's done to take the shiny gloss off new balls and/or to prevent beading in rainy weather. Eli does it and so do others.

Let's face it you got no clear proof—yet anyways. All you got is one prior, one where the person in question admitted what he did and did it out in the open in front of thousands which is not operating in a clandestine manner as a true cheater. The league clarifed the rule in 2006 as others were still doing it but BB still interpreted it as okay to do so long as not used for that game. Okay, you got him. Still, it's one prior. Not repetitive cheats.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Bill Parcells

n00b!

Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

That's their way of cheating or getting an edge—to get into the heads of the team. That's why they protest so much.

Yeah, I bet the Patriots are sitting around reading this thread and starting to lose confidence as we speak!

[2112]

Originally Posted by Baconeater

Thank you for your valuable contribution to the discussion.

I just checked the who's posted in this thread. Hootie is fueling discussion with over 200 posts. he is the sheep herder lol

Was that better?

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Andrew Luck casted a magic spell on the Patriots footballs

That's what I call luck.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by GoChargers

Yeah, I bet the Patriots are sitting around reading this thread and starting to lose confidence as we speak!

I don't think so. But some may try that. Pats play better when attacked, challenged or trash talked before a game. 'Er well, I know that about Brady and the old team did.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Bill Parcells

I just checked the who's posted in this thread. Hootie is fueling discussion with over 200 posts. he is the sheep herder lol

Was that better?

I would've guessed closer to 4 or 5 hundred were his.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Baconeater

I would've guessed closer to 4 or 5 hundred were his.

Who Posted?
Total Posts: 2,223
User Name Posts
Hootie 2.0 201
GoChargers 139
Amnorix 119
Dicky McElephant 106
Pawnmower 105
BucEyedPea 86
MagicHef 72

He should get a kick back for all the traffic he creates.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

If true, that should be the end of any talk about penalizing the Patriots.

It won't be the end, but it should be.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

I'm not surprised. I'd say anyone with that reaction was never interested in the facts of the matter to begin with.

Hold tight to that gotcha wish. Maybe some day it can all come true for you.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

This is interesting, regardless of the outcome:



https://twitter.com/BartHubbuch/stat...99563762905089

It makes sense, too, given what the ESPN sports science guy has said on the subject.

Just go back to the way it used to be....before your Pats cheated the system for a decade.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I'm not surprised. I'd say anyone with that reaction was never interested in the facts of the matter to begin with.

Hold tight to that gotcha wish. Maybe some day it can all come true for you.

You are right it clears the Pats. They didn't magically not fumble the ball at the exact time the rule change started.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Just go back to the way it used to be....before your Pats cheated the system for a decade.

im not sure why it matters....

they showed pretty clearly theres enough drawbacks to underinflating a ball and not really that much upside

if I was a QB , in theory , I would want an inflated ball because of velocity and the defender having less time to make a play on the balls

rather than the very small % of less drops you would have

I think the % of pass deflections would go higher to account for that based on the show I watched but anyhow

if the balls are inflated to 11.5 PSI does that really matter in the long run, if everyone can do it?

Why not just allow each team 12 balls like they do now and just say you cant ADD anything (sticky stuff, chemicals, etc...) but you can scuff it up or use sandpaper and water and inflate it to whatever....

I dont really see the big deal but im probably missing something

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

im not sure why it matters....

they showed pretty clearly theres enough drawbacks to underinflating a ball and not really that much upside

if I was a QB , in theory , I would want an inflated ball because of velocity and the defender having less time to make a play on the balls

rather than the very small % of less drops you would have

I think the % of pass deflections would go higher to account for that based on the show I watched but anyhow

if the balls are inflated to 11.5 PSI does that really matter in the long run, if everyone can do it?

Why not just allow each team 12 balls like they do now and just say you cant ADD anything (sticky stuff, chemicals, etc...) but you can scuff it up or use sandpaper and water and inflate it to whatever....

I dont really see the big deal but im probably missing something

You are. They have an otherworldly ability not to fumble starting the EXACT year they started it. Former players have stated they would never fumble the ball at the underinflated version the Pats were using. EVERY player that left the Pats or came to the Pats had a MUCH higher fumble rate with the other teams. Green Eli is didn't fumble in four years in New England and coughed it up five times in two years in Cincy.