Football Pats Cheating Comfirmed - Page 157

PizzaDoughz · 01-20-2015, 10:38 PM

According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/2...bill-belichick

Discuss.

Jimmya · 01-30-2015, 01:46 PM

Joe Montana blames Brady.

**morphius** · 01-30-2015, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Seems like the cover up is fully underway! Congrats Pats fans, cheaters really do prosper!

I've been saying that this was the most likely scenario from pretty early on.

**morphius** · 01-30-2015, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

So you are saying then nothing happened AFTER the Ref looked at the ball?

I'm saying that it is a very strong possibility.

Amnorix · 01-30-2015, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Yeah, definitely. Patriots should definitely get the benefit of the doubt IMO since they're first time offenders. Oh. Wait.

Right, instead they should be deemed guilty with no actual evidence of anything, because of something that was resolved 7 years ago.

Katipan · 01-30-2015, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I am expecting you to back up your own claim with a link to a report saying he is not behind it. I am willing to change my mind on what my article claimed about Kensil, if you can provide a report that says otherwise. We already know it's a fact he is in charge of the investigation, no? Or the driving force? At least that's what SI reports. http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/26/nfl...il-deflategate

Also, why is it okay for your side to claim the balls were "intentionally" deflated with no proof or impugning Brady as a liar just because of BB's past actions?
It comes across as the pot calling the kettle black.

As to how many balls were 2 psi low or 1 psi low, I already posted and linked different sources earlier in the thread saying that it was closer to 1 psi for most of the balls with 1 ball being 2 psi lower.

What side is that? I don't really care if it was intentional or not. Care more about your balls and this won't be a problem.

**petegz28** · 01-30-2015, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius

I'm saying that it is a very strong possibility.

And would you really be shocked to find out that the Patriots did in fact cheat?

Katipan · 01-30-2015, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Right, instead they should be deemed guilty with no actual evidence of anything, because of something that was resolved 7 years ago.

I don't understand this stance at all.

A history of cheating isn't a good indicator of future cheating?

Tell all my future boyfriends.

**morphius** · 01-30-2015, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Right, instead they should be deemed guilty with no actual evidence of anything, because of something that was resolved 7 years ago.

Well, as many times as Hootie has been banned here I guess we should remember that when we read his posts, and just ignore his opinions.

BucEyedPea · 01-30-2015, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Yeah, definitely. Patriots should definitely get the benefit of the doubt IMO since they're first time offenders. Oh. Wait.

Patriots plural is a generality as if an entire team was actively involved in Spygate. One man was involved, one man who did not even operate in a clandestine manner but out in the open for thousands to see. One man who openly admitted to video taping signals in year 2000. BB interpreted the rule incorrectly as not being able to use that footage in the current game being played. His behavior was consistent with that intepretation since he admitted it earlier, did it openly. The league did not even clarify the rule until 2006. Spygate followed in 2007. I can understand not accepting that but but need to check out the facts and not target a whole team....which isn't even the same team much anymore. It hurts BB's credibility not an entire team, QB or the owner. Or exaggerate by using the word "history" implying multiple offenses. Only unreasonable people do that. Then again I don't expect you to use reason but prefer exaggeration and emotion.

Katipan · 01-30-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Patriots plural is a generality as if an entire team was actively involved in Spygate. One man was involved, one man who did not even operate in a clandestine manner but out in the open for thousands to see. One man who openly admitted to video taping signals in year 2000. BB interpreted the rule incorrectly as not being able to use that footage in that game. His behavior was consistent with that intepretation. I can understand not accepting that but but need to check out the facts and not target a whole team....which isn't even the same team much anymore. It hurts BB's credibility not an entire team, QB or the owner. Only unreasonable people do that. Then again I don't expect you to use reason but prefer exaggeration and emotion.

Well, no. BB wasn't the only person to know about it, so the onus isn't just his to carry.

Plus you have a camera guy who has never seen nice ass before?

Kind of a bunch of scumbags.

Amnorix · 01-30-2015, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

I don't understand this stance at all.

A history of cheating isn't a good indicator of future cheating?

Tell all my future boyfriends.

I think there are several very significant things to keep in mind:

1. say what you will, there is no evidence that Belichick ever lied about anything. He never said that they didn't film signals.

2. the reality is that if anyone did it here, it's Brady, not Belichick. And Brady didn't "do" Spygate, and there's never been any evidence, or even hint, that he is a liar or cheater at all either.

So you can hang everyone in Foxboro because of Spygate, but it doesn't really make that much sense to me here. This isn't a boyfriend who previously screwed his secretary, and denied it, who is now screwing the coffee shop barista, and denying it.

**morphius** · 01-30-2015, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

And would you really be shocked to find out that the Patriots did in fact cheat?

With this one, a little bit. Partially the way Brady laughed it off when it was first brought up. I'm just waiting to judge. The latest report about the refs could also be made up, just like the report that all but 1 ball was 2 lbs under. It has been blown up now to the point that they started doing this right after the last super bowl loss, and yet of all the players that have left the team not a single one mentioned it.

There is so much misleading info and people just guessing right now. I know if it was the Chiefs I would try to give them a benefit of the doubt, so I'm just doing the same here. Now if it was Denver I would probably be, "HANG THE BASTARDS", lol. But I think they should be hung anyway.

Katipan · 01-30-2015, 02:01 PM

I'm okay with it being Brady. I said that 1500 posts ago.

But the idea that he'd be the only person in on it, is just inconceivable to me.

So if it's more than 1, you hang em all.

But don't really because I kind of like Giselle.

BucEyedPea · 01-30-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

Well, no. BB wasn't the only person to know about it, so the onus isn't just his to carry.

Know about it or call for it? Know it was illegal or not?

Kraft had to ask him if he did it even and if it was an advantage.

Did the others know the rules that govern those types of things as opposed to rules of the game on the field? I really have to wonder, since plenty of them are dumb jocks. Plus the NFL had to send out a memo clarifying the rule in 2006. There was a reason for that. It wasn't just one Patriot coach thinking it was okay.

Still, it's one prior—not a history.

Katipan · 01-30-2015, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Know about it or call for it?

Kraft had to ask him if he did it even and if it was an advantage.

Did the others know the rules that govern those types of things as opposed to rules of the game on the field. I really have to wonder, since plenty of them are dumb jocks.

Still, it's one prior—not a history.

Since when is ignorance of the law any kind of defense?

How many priors would indicate a pattern to you?

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