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ArrowheadHawk · 07:58 PM

11 straight Conference Championships!

Ranking #9 (26-8,13-5)

Non-Con Schedule (11-2)

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Hootie · 03-24-2015, 01:50 PM

Jabari and Wiggins will end up being good pros, definitely Wiggins ... but will Wiggins EVER be a superstar? I don't think he can be. He played like a bizarro Russell Westbrook in a game where no one else had 1/100th of his talent.

That tells me he has no heart.

Will he be good on a 30 win NBA team? Absolutely.

Will he be the best player on a contender? I highly doubt it.

Not with the lack of heart I saw him have last year. But alas, maybe he can develop that killer instinct. He certainly has all the talent in the world and he also hasn't even grown into a full adult yet. So we'll see.

KC_Connection · 03-24-2015, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Jabari and Wiggins will end up being good pros, definitely Wiggins ... but will Wiggins EVER be a superstar? I don't think he can be. He played like a bizarro Russell Westbrook in a game where no one else had 1/100th of his talent.

That tells me he has no heart.

Will he be good on a 30 win NBA team? Absolutely.

Will he be the best player on a contender? I highly doubt it.

Not with the lack of heart I saw him have last year. But alas, maybe he can develop that killer instinct. He certainly has all the talent in the world and he also hasn't even grown into a full adult yet. So we'll see.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Better stop before you say anything more.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 03-24-2015, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock

What "act" are we talking about? It's pretty clear that hard work is what it takes to win in college. If you don't have those guys, you don't have them. We don't. Some programs do, and they succeed. But I don't think it has anything to do with Self's personality. The reason UK is succeeding right now with those kinds of players is that 1) their competition has been so bad that they can get away with just talent, and 2) the pressure/glory of going 40-0 has them focused in.

Now, if you're going to ask me if I think Self maybe targeted a few of the wrong guys, then yes, I do. It happens. You miss on some guys and some guys aren't what they were purported to be. I think we're getting back on track now, looking at what we have in Mason and Graham, two players who obviously give a shit about winning and putting it all out there.

3. Calipari is a better coach than many of us (me included) want to admit.

KC_Connection · 03-24-2015, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

big players play big games

Not necessarily. Great players have bad games all the time (and Wiggins wasn't even a great college player). Kind of happens all the time at any level of sport.

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...Wiggins' was a one and doner, everyone knew it, and when he had his chance to shine he didn't even think about showing up. He didn't even TRY to be aggressive. It was embarrassing. ALMOST as embarrassing as Jabari Parker's effort in the same tourney.

I assure you that it's no more embarrassing than you attempting to form an opinion of Andrew Wiggins as a player based on one bad game he once played in college (which sounds like the only game of his that you actually watched).

Fansy the Famous Bard · 03-24-2015, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

WTF?

Kentucky played 3 games against teams currently in the Sweet 16. They won those games by a total of 61 points. If Kansas had won against Wichita State, it would be 4 games by a total of 93 points.

All they did in the regular season was beat Kansas, North Carolina, Louisville, UCLA, Texas, Arkansas, Arkansas, Florida Florida, and Florida. 8 of those 10 games were by double digits. The closest game was 7.

That's not a function of bad competition.

stating florida three times didn't help your argument, in fact it works against it, here.

**Saul Good** · 03-24-2015, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

big players play big games

the Madness is all about the Kemba Walker's and Wally Szcerbiak's

...Wiggins' was a one and doner, everyone knew it, and when he had his chance to shine he didn't even think about showing up. He didn't even TRY to be aggressive. It was embarrassing. ALMOST as embarrassing as Jabari Parker's effort in the same tourney.

37 points and 15 rebounds...

That's what the top 3 picks in the NBA draft...all one and done kids...did in the tournament COMBINED. It's the very definition of mailing it in.

Silock · 03-24-2015, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

WTF?

Kentucky played 3 games against teams currently in the Sweet 16. They won those games by a total of 61 points. If Kansas had won against Wichita State, it would be 4 games by a total of 93 points.

All they did in the regular season was beat Kansas, North Carolina, Louisville, UCLA, Texas, Arkansas, Arkansas, Florida Florida, and Florida. 8 of those 10 games were by double digits. The closest game was 7.

That's not a function of bad competition.

Florida? You mean 16-17 Florida? UCLA shouldn't have even been in the tournament, nor should Texas. Arkansas is okay, but they're not a top 25 team, either.

The tournament is a crapshoot, so the fact that they beat some teams who are currently still playing doesn't necessarily mean that those teams were really good. It just means they got hot at the right time, kinda like UK did last year.

And I'm not saying that this UK team is bad. It's not. They're really good. But their record is a result of having a relatively weak schedule. They'd have a few more losses if they played in a different conference or scheduled a few tougher non-con opponents. Now, UT and KU were supposed to be good opponents, but clearly weren't. UNC, at the time they played, hadn't really found their rhythm as a team, either.

What I'm getting at is that the UK team hasn't had to face adversity yet. We'll see how they respond when they do. But the reason they're undefeated isn't because they're the greatest team in college basketball in 40 years.

KC_Connection · 03-24-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

37 points and 15 rebounds...

That's what the top 3 picks in the NBA draft...all one and done kids...did in the tournament COMBINED. It's the very definition of mailing it in.

And the king of intellectually dishonest statistics throws out another one. The #3 pick couldn't even physically play in the tournament. It's been 13 months now since he last even played a basketball game.

And KU/Duke going out in the 2nd/1st round in 2014 had less to do with Wiggins/Parker than those teams simply not being all that good.

**Saul Good** · 03-24-2015, 02:07 PM

So UNC wasn't a good win because they weren't playing great at the time, but Texas who was ranked #6 in the country when they played wasn't a good win either.

I think I see how this works.

Kentucky is 14-0 against teams that made the tournament including a 32 point win against a 2 seed and a 39 point win over a team that's still alive, but they haven't played anyone.

There are 15 other teams still alive. Kentucky is 3-0 against them with an average margin of over 20 points per game...but they only win because of weak competition.

**Saul Good** · 03-24-2015, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

And the king of intellectually dishonest statistics throws out another one. The #3 pick couldn't even physically play in the tournament. It's been 13 months now since he last even played a basketball game.

And KU/Duke going out in the 2nd/1st round in 2014 had less to do with Wiggins/Parker than those teams simply not being all that good.

Oh really? That foot he injured in June of 2014 kept him from playing in March of 2014, but I'm the intellectually dishonest one?

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/sto...rior-nba-draft

The dude faked a back injury and sat out. Do you not remember Self's sarcastic comments about it earlier that season?

Hootie · 03-24-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Better stop before you say anything more.

like when you said Tom Brady was clearly declining earlier this season?

I watched the game. I expect "THE BEST PROSPECT SINCE LEBRON JAMES" to play a ****ing GOOD GAME in the tourney ... or, at the very least, PLAY A SHITTY GAME WHILE AT LEAST BEING AGGRESSIVE.

Dude played the least aggressive, heartless game I've ever seen (other than Jabari Parker). It was embarrassing.

And I grew up being a Jayhawks fan. I'm still a Jayhawks fan when I watch. Hell, Collison (free throws) single-handedly lost us a championship against Syracuse in 2003 BUT AT LEAST COLLISON ****ING TRIED AND SHOWED SOME HEART...

Wiggins didn't give a single ****. It was embarrassing.

KC_Connection · 03-24-2015, 02:15 PM

By basically any metric, the best team UK has played all season was KU (a flawed/soft team that did not have the style to beat them). I think they're the best team by far, but let's wait and see what happens when they run into a Wisconsin/Arizona/Duke/Gonzaga/Utah/Notre Dame.

Hootie · 03-24-2015, 02:16 PM

Kemba Walker basically won a championship by himself one year ... he played with a chip on his shoulder and basically refused to lose.

It's too bad Andrew "MOST TALENT IN THE GYM BY FAR" decided to take a pivotal March Madness game off last year.

Do you really watch Wiggins in the NBA and swell with pride because he's a "Jayhawk?" These one and doners aren't anything. Andrew Wiggins is not a Jayhawk. Paul Pierce is a Jayhawk. Kirk Hinrich is a Jayhawk. Joel Embiid is not a Jayhawk.

KC_Connection · 03-24-2015, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Oh really? That foot he injured in June of 2014 kept him from playing in March of 2014, but I'm the intellectually dishonest one?

I didn't say it was the same injury keeping him out, but Embiid has shown a pattern of bad health.

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The dude faked a back injury and sat out. Do you not remember Self's sarcastic comments about it earlier that season?

Embiid didn't fake anything. He noticeably dropped off when dealing with his back/knee injuries in February of that year.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 03-24-2015, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Oh really? That foot he injured in June of 2014 kept him from playing in March of 2014, but I'm the intellectually dishonest one?

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/sto...rior-nba-draft

The dude faked a back injury and sat out. Do you not remember Self's sarcastic comments about it earlier that season?

I don't think he specified what injury forced him to sit out, just that he was out... which he was.

03-23-2014, 02:07 PM
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03-24-2015, 01:50 PM	#4036
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Jabari and Wiggins will end up being good pros, definitely Wiggins ... but will Wiggins EVER be a superstar? I don't think he can be. He played like a bizarro Russell Westbrook in a game where no one else had 1/100th of his talent. That tells me he has no heart. Will he be good on a 30 win NBA team? Absolutely. Will he be the best player on a contender? I highly doubt it. Not with the lack of heart I saw him have last year. But alas, maybe he can develop that killer instinct. He certainly has all the talent in the world and he also hasn't even grown into a full adult yet. So we'll see.
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03-24-2015, 02:07 PM	#4044
Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	So UNC wasn't a good win because they weren't playing great at the time, but Texas who was ranked #6 in the country when they played wasn't a good win either. I think I see how this works. Kentucky is 14-0 against teams that made the tournament including a 32 point win against a 2 seed and a 39 point win over a team that's still alive, but they haven't played anyone. There are 15 other teams still alive. Kentucky is 3-0 against them with an average margin of over 20 points per game...but they only win because of weak competition. __________________ Today is not a good day to be a pussy.
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03-24-2015, 02:15 PM	#4047
KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $1652783	By basically any metric, the best team UK has played all season was KU (a flawed/soft team that did not have the style to beat them). I think they're the best team by far, but let's wait and see what happens when they run into a Wisconsin/Arizona/Duke/Gonzaga/Utah/Notre Dame.
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03-24-2015, 02:16 PM	#4048
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Kemba Walker basically won a championship by himself one year ... he played with a chip on his shoulder and basically refused to lose. It's too bad Andrew "MOST TALENT IN THE GYM BY FAR" decided to take a pivotal March Madness game off last year. Do you really watch Wiggins in the NBA and swell with pride because he's a "Jayhawk?" These one and doners aren't anything. Andrew Wiggins is not a Jayhawk. Paul Pierce is a Jayhawk. Kirk Hinrich is a Jayhawk. Joel Embiid is not a Jayhawk.
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