Chiefs Dorsey-"there are only 10-12 impact players in the draft" - Page 10

RunKC · 04-24-2015, 11:16 AM

@TerezPaylor: #Chiefs GM John Dorsey says there are 10-12 impact players in this draft.

Looks like a trade down is coming. Can you guess the 12 players?

**Rausch** · 04-28-2015, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Same thing every year... Someone always wants to trade down vs taking an impact player in round 1....

Because there isn't a ton of talent in this draft.

If we had traded down when we picked Fisher and added picks for the following (last) year it would have been a genius move. We would have sacrificed in a year of little talent and added in a year of the most talent in a decade.

This year there is no home run CB, ILB, or QB.

Our bigger needs don't fit the draft or position we're in this year...

Reerun_KC · 04-28-2015, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Because there isn't a ton of talent in this draft.

If we had traded down when we picked Fisher and added picks for the following (last) year it would have been a genius move. We would have sacrificed in a year of little talent and added in a year of the most talent in a decade.

This year there is no home run CB, ILB, or QB.

Our bigger needs don't fit the draft or position we're in this year...

Again, there isn't a ton of talent in any draft according to Chiefs fans...

Our bigger needs?

We are depleted dog shit at WR. We need a WR desperately.

**Rausch** · 04-28-2015, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Again, there isn't a ton of talent in any draft according to Chiefs fans...

Whatever. The most ignorant of fans knew how full of talent the draft was last year.

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Our bigger needs?

We are depleted dog shit at WR. We need a WR desperately.

Which is why I didn't mention it. It's one of the few positions we could upgrade significantly as low as the third or fourth round...

**The Franchise** · 04-28-2015, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I'd prefer a trade down (perhaps adding picks for next year) over trading up.

Unless someone with insane talent falls (top 10 type talent.)

The only players that I'd be ok with trading up for would be Mariota, White or Cooper. And that's only if they fell out of the top 10.

**Rausch** · 04-28-2015, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

The only players that I'd be ok with trading up for would be Mariota, White or Cooper. And that's only if they fell out of the top 10.

I'm not a fan of Mariota at all.

I'd prefer waiting for a guy like Petty to fall or just wait.

I'd be fine with moving up for White or Cooper (a short jump.)

Saccopoo · 04-28-2015, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Because there isn't a ton of talent in this draft.

If we had traded down when we picked Fisher and added picks for the following (last) year it would have been a genius move. We would have sacrificed in a year of little talent and added in a year of the most talent in a decade.

This year there is no home run CB, ILB, or QB.

Our bigger needs don't fit the draft or position we're in this year...

For Sutton's defense, there is some really solid CB prospects. Eric Rowe, PJ Williams, Jalen Collins, Josh Shaw, Byron Jones, Marcus Peters, Kevin Johnson and Trae Waynes are all first or second round talent that would fit extremely well into the system. That basically ensures that this team, if spending a first or second rounder on the CB position would get a pretty high level prospect.

ILB is solid as well and I think that the players deeper into the draft are a better fit than guys who had the hype earlier like Kendricks and Dawson, who really aren't good matches for our 34. McKinney, Vigil, Jones, Plummer, Perryman, Anthony, Wilson, Mayo, Luc, Wilson, Hager, etc. are solid players. A lot of those guys have had incredible college careers and have solid measurables.

QB? Really?

And you fail to mention WR and OL, both of which are deep with talent, especially the WR position.

prhom · 04-28-2015, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Same thing every year... Someone always wants to trade down vs taking an impact player in round 1....

It's a little early to say this for sure, but Dorsey seems to have a different view of who the BPA is at a given spot than everyone else. If you can trade down and still get the guy you really wanted then what's the harm? I'd rather do that than pick a guy that everyone else thought was a reach there. The flip side is to that is whether that is the guy we should be picking or not, but if we aren't going to take the "impact" player then may as well get some value for it.

**Rausch** · 04-28-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

For Sutton's defense, there is some really solid CB prospects. Eric Rowe, PJ Williams, Jalen Collins, Josh Shaw, Byron Jones, Marcus Peters, Kevin Johnson and Trae Waynes are all first or second round talent that would fit extremely well into the system. That basically ensures that this team, if spending a first or second rounder on the CB position would get a pretty high level prospect.

ILB is solid as well and I think that the players deeper into the draft are a better fit than guys who had the hype earlier like Kendricks and Dawson, who really aren't good matches for our 34. McKinney, Vigil, Jones, Plummer, Perryman, Anthony, Wilson, Mayo, Luc, Wilson, Hager, etc. are solid players. A lot of those guys have had incredible college careers and have solid measurables.

I didn't say there was no talent. I said there wasn't home run talent at our bigger areas of need that justify a trade up.

I'm one of the few hoping we go CB in the first. I'd prefer one of the better WR's fall to us but I doubt that happens.

Most of the ILB talent is one dimensional. I just don't see them being worth a 1st round pick. I could be wrong but for our needs a 3rd or later for a run stuffer/gap filler is a solid fix and that position isn't as deep/respectable as you make it sound.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

QB? Really?

And you fail to mention WR and OL, both of which are deep with talent, especially the WR position.

At QB I'm not in love with either guy. Winston has the talent but could go either way. If we were talking about him at 18 I'd pull the trigger in a second. If we were at no 1? I don't know.

I'd love White but not enough to trade up for what it'd cost.

If we had the no 1 pick in this draft there are 2 or 3 players I'd be ok taking...

saphojunkie · 04-28-2015, 10:09 AM

What reerun fails to grasp is that the player you get at 18 is by and large going to be the same player you get at 40. Trading back and picking up a second or third round pick allows you to draft a guy like Cam Erving or Phillip Dorsett or Kevin Johnson without reaching for him. You can also hedge your bets by drafting a second (free) player.

It's the one smart thing Pioli ever did, and I (gasp) applaud him for it. He traded back, knowing he could still land Baldwin, and it got us Justin Houston. Imagine if you actually drafted a GOOD player instead of Baldwin.

Ebolapox · 04-28-2015, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

"Wow" excites fans, but doesn't necessarily win championships. Good bookend tackles are pretty important in the modern NFL.

and you can get a good bookend for your tackle set in the rounds after round one. aka, 'wow' me by getting an impact player in the first round. it's so hard to understand sometimes as a chiefs fan, though, because we don't do that shit generally.

**Rausch** · 04-28-2015, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ebolapox

and you can get a good bookend for your tackle set in the rounds after round one. aka, 'wow' me by getting an impact player in the first round. it's so hard to understand sometimes as a chiefs fan, though, because we don't do that shit generally.

This. Offensive explosion wins games. Franchise QB's win games.

You can stop them for an individual game but you can't contain them for a whole season. There's a reason the Packers/Pats/Denver keep making the playoffs...

Mr. Laz · 04-28-2015, 10:21 AM

wow and impact aren't necessarily the same thing

it would be nice to get both in the 1st this year

Hootie · 04-28-2015, 10:56 AM

we have enough picks this year I'd prefer we actually move up if we see someone we really want in the 1st round.

RunKC · 04-28-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

we have enough picks this year I'd prefer we actually move up if we see someone we really want in the 1st round.

Peter King had us trading a 4th and 6th to move up to 15 to draft DaVante Parker.

That would be ****ing awesome.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-28-2015, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ebolapox

and you can get a good bookend for your tackle set in the rounds after round one. aka, 'wow' me by getting an impact player in the first round. it's so hard to understand sometimes as a chiefs fan, though, because we don't do that shit generally.

That's really untrue.

Larry Johnson, Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe, Eric Berry, Dontarie Poe and even Dee Ford and Jonathan Baldwin were "wow" players.

Baldwin was a bust, so there's that but the Chiefs have a pretty good history, outside of the Pioli era, of getting good value and impact players in the first round.

The only "unwow" players of recent vintage were Fisher and Jackson. Glenn Dorsey was a "wow" player, too, even though he was a bust. Some thought he would be the best player in the draft, which just goes to show that nobody knows nuttin'.

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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $2106550	What reerun fails to grasp is that the player you get at 18 is by and large going to be the same player you get at 40. Trading back and picking up a second or third round pick allows you to draft a guy like Cam Erving or Phillip Dorsett or Kevin Johnson without reaching for him. You can also hedge your bets by drafting a second (free) player. It's the one smart thing Pioli ever did, and I (gasp) applaud him for it. He traded back, knowing he could still land Baldwin, and it got us Justin Houston. Imagine if you actually drafted a GOOD player instead of Baldwin.
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