Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18

[Discuss Thrower]

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues

— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015

Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

Pole cumming.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/05/24/memori...deflategate/2/

Dumbest shit I ever heard.

Let me tell you how it really went down...

Kraft "were gonna cheat the cap and cut your cap number in half and I'll pay you the other half as my personnel hair consultant. I've already told Roger about it and he will approve the contract.

Tom "Sweet."

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Dumbest shit I ever heard.

Let me tell you how it really went down...

Kraft "were gonna cheat the cap and cut your cap number in half and I'll pay you the other half as my personnel hair consultant. I've already told Roger about it and he will approve the contract.

Tom "Sweet."

Right, the cheating Cheatriots cheat so they cheated and asterisk, asterisk, asterisk. Got it!

I really like how you describe Goodell as being in Kraft's back pocket in your "how it really went down" immediately after Goodell hammered them ridiculously in Deflategate. If Goodell is in Kraft's pocket, he has a poor way of showing it. But ignore facts that would easily explain why Brady didn't chase every last dollar, and go with your blind hatred. Hardly matters to me.

[Hootie]

Look,

I don't really care if Brady is taking 50% of his value because "he wants to win", "his wife is rich", and "he's just a super swell guy."

It's still cheating. So, one Randy Billionaire some day makes the NFL and is the next Tom Brady and decides money doesn't matter and plays for the league minimum with no guarantees his entire career while being the best in the game ... that's fair, eh?

Brady basically cheats the cap by $10M (2-3 elite players) every year. NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS. Not Peyton, not Drew, not Eli, not Ben, not Aaron ... no one.

So any way you shake it it is a total bullshit contract. Good intentions or not.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Tim Duncan got some kind of side deal too?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ball-d...5938--nba.html

I don't really like that, either ... but he did that because the Spurs refuse to pay a luxury tax. The NBA has a SOFT cap, not a hard cap like the NFL. The only thing he did was save his owner money. Brady, in the HARD CAP NFL, is freeing up $10+M per year in contracts they can give to STAR players.

While I 100% think Brady is going to get paid for years and years after he retires from the NFL by the Patriots, even if he ISN'T, and these contracts are truly so he can free up more space so the Pats can have that built in advantage ... it's still bullshit.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Look,

I don't really care if Brady is taking 50% of his value because "he wants to win", "his wife is rich", and "he's just a super swell guy."

It's still cheating. So, one Randy Billionaire some day makes the NFL and is the next Tom Brady and decides money doesn't matter and plays for the league minimum with no guarantees his entire career while being the best in the game ... that's fair, eh?

Brady basically cheats the cap by $10M (2-3 elite players) every year. NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS. Not Peyton, not Drew, not Eli, not Ben, not Aaron ... no one.

So any way you shake it it is a total bullshit contract. Good intentions or not.

So Tim Duncan and the Spurs are also cheating?

Every player who leaves money on the table is cheating?


I do agree with you however that what Brady agreed to gives the Patriots a competitive advantage. It may also be fundamentally unfair, because his wife's ridiculous wealth puts him in a position that no other QB enjoys -- the ability to basically make no money and still be absurdly rich. If I were the Ravens or Steelers or PeytonManning's team, I wouldn't be very happy about it.

Maybe there should be rules around it, though God knows how you would draft them. What system could you possibly have? It would be very difficult. The concept that Brady (or some other superstar who doesn't need money) could play on a veteran minimum contract is definitely troubling.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I'm not going to factor in Tom or Peyton since they are on their last legs, but after them, there is only really 1 tier of ELITE QB's we have left right now, and it is :

Rodgers
Luck
Wilson

Chiefs 1st round picks since 2000:

Sylvester Morris
TRENT GREEN
Ryan Sims
Larry Johnson
Junior Siavii (early 2nd)
Derrick Johnson
Tamba Hali
Glenn Dorsey
Branden Albert
Tyson Jackson
Eric Berry
Jonathan Baldwin
Dontari Poe
Eric Fisher
Dee Ford
Marcus Peters

You wanna try and tell me you'd take any 2 of those guys over Russell Wilson? 3? 4?

I think Big Ben is in the true franchise elite status right now. The guy balled out hard last year with problems on his team.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I don't really like that, either ... but he did that because the Spurs refuse to pay a luxury tax. The NBA has a SOFT cap, not a hard cap like the NFL. The only thing he did was save his owner money. Brady, in the HARD CAP NFL, is freeing up $10+M per year in contracts they can give to STAR players.

While I 100% think Brady is going to get paid for years and years after he retires from the NFL by the Patriots, even if he ISN'T, and these contracts are truly so he can free up more space so the Pats can have that built in advantage ... it's still bullshit.

Not exactly, at least according to this article

Duncan's pay cut opened cap space for San Antonio to sign shooting guard Danny Green, forward Boris Diaw, and point guards Nando De Colo and Patty Mills. Green started every game he played this season, averaging a career high 10.5 points on 43 percent three-point shooting. Diaw averaged 23 minutes a game for the 58-24 team now headed to the finals.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/tim-d...#ixzz3dnyhdmzG

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

If you had to choose which deal would you take?

Russell Wilson for 3 first round picks

Or

Andrew Luck for 3 first round picks?

Andrew Luck for 5 first round picks. And not even give a second thought

[-King-]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Dumbest shit I ever heard.

Let me tell you how it really went down...

Kraft "were gonna cheat the cap and cut your cap number in half and I'll pay you the other half as my personnel hair consultant. I've already told Roger about it and he will approve the contract.

Tom "Sweet."

[BossChief]

I wonder if there are rules about players getting paid by the owner in other ways (consultant, advertising, etc.) as well.

[Hootie]

I don't really care at this point.

If more than just Brady were doing it, it would be one thing. But literally every other QB plays for market value, if not higher, other than arguably the best QB in the league ... who plays for considerably less than Alex Smith.

At least he makes SOMETHING, though. Can't wait until a rich QB decides he's going to play for vet min to really make me super happy about it.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I'm not going to factor in Tom or Peyton since they are on their last legs, but after them, there is only really 1 tier of ELITE QB's we have left right now, and it is :

Rodgers
Luck
Wilson

Comedy. Wilson had 20 less touchdowns than Luck and 18 less than Rodgers. He had 1,200 yards less than Luck and 900 less than Rodgers.


But yeah, they're totally in the same tier. Totally.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I wonder if there are rules about players getting paid by the owner in other ways (consultant, advertising, etc.) as well.

I dont' know off hand, but the rules must cover all compensation in any way, shape or form. Otherwise, the rule would be meaningless. Teams could give star players "contracts" with their other businesses, or personally, and then the whole system collapses. Can't work that way.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So Tim Duncan and the Spurs are also cheating?

Every player who leaves money on the table is cheating?


I do agree with you however that what Brady agreed to gives the Patriots a competitive advantage. It may also be fundamentally unfair, because his wife's ridiculous wealth puts him in a position that no other QB enjoys -- the ability to basically make no money and still be absurdly rich. If I were the Ravens or Steelers or PeytonManning's team, I wouldn't be very happy about it.

Maybe there should be rules around it, though God knows how you would draft them. What system could you possibly have? It would be very difficult. The concept that Brady (or some other superstar who doesn't need money) could play on a veteran minimum contract is definitely troubling.

I'd really like to see a standard contract for the entire league that pays players a league minimum and then has performance clauses all over the place. I'd like the NFL's winningest teams to be the ones that know the most about football rather than the ones that do the most creative accounting.

It would be rather simple, and composed of two parts.

Part 1. Minimum base salary. Starts with the rookie minimum and then rises with each year of seniority.

Part 2. Performance clauses. Each position gets performance factors identified, and you make $X for reaching each tier. A neutral third party tracks the stats. You'd probably build in a factor that is "percent of team's performance" so that players wouldn't get unduly penalized for going to a bad team, i.e., being a wide receiver when Matt Cassel is your quarterback.


Let's stop Elway from playing for league minimum and then getting cushy jobs with the team for the next 20 years.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I don't really care at this point.

If more than just Brady were doing it, it would be one thing. But literally every other QB plays for market value, if not higher, other than arguably the best QB in the league ... who plays for considerably less than Alex Smith.

At least he makes SOMETHING, though. Can't wait until a rich QB decides he's going to play for vet min to really make me super happy about it.

Every other QB is the main breadwinner. Brady's position is unique due to the extreme wealth of his wife.

You're right -- what if Aaron Rodgers says to himself he's making a killing with endorsements and made plenty through the years, time to take vet minimum and WIN BABY? There's nothing to stop him.