Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18

[Discuss Thrower]

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues

— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015

Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

Pole cumming.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by -King-

But hey! He threw those 2 great passes at the end that won them the game! That makes him a great quarterback! Nevermind the interceptions that put them in that position in the first place. Nevermind the defense that kept Aaron Rodgers in check and allowed Wilson to have that opportunity. Nevermind a punter had to throw a touchdown in order to get to that point. Nevermind the greenbay tight end that dropped the onside kick to ice the game.

Just focus on those 2 plays and you'll see Wilson was great.

7 play 70 yard TD drive
4 play 50 yard TD drive
6 play 87 yard TD drive (OT)

to end the game

in the NFC Championship Game

...but I guess we can talk about those 20 missed shots Jordan had in Game 6 of 1998 when he was terrible in the fourth quarter until the last 3 minutes

...but it's good to see Aaron Rodgers gets a pass for this game since Seattle's defense is just too good, I Guess

[Hootie]

Brady tore up that elite defense pretty easily in the Super Bowl

...but apparently they were too tough for poor Aaron Rodgers ...

and Andrew Luck! That 12-33 against New England with 120 yards and 0 TD's and 2 INT's in the AFCCG ... what could he do?!?!?!?!! 1 against 53!

12-33 is fine

but throwing 4 picks and then winning the game with 3 clutch drives proves he's not as good as Luck

I think

...whatttttt

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Long term, I take Luck. He's the prototypical QB with the prototypical size. After 3 years, Russell has been the best QB of that draft class.

This board has overrated Andrew Luck to the nth degree. He was really good last year, but he wasn't great. He still makes a lot of mistakes guys like Peyton Manning don't make. He still gets inexplicably crushed in games he shouldn't lose.

In his last 4 games of the season, they went 3-1. He posted QBRs of 38, 30, 11 and 50.

They beat Cleveland, Houston and Tennessee.

Wilson has the better team ... but Wilson also doesn't play in the AFC ****ING SOUTH.

Hypocrites.

They do play in a shit division where he basically gets thr Peyton treatment in that they'll win 12 every year or so and make the playoffs.

Wilson plays in a tough division but has a much better team.

I watch alot of football like you and like you said I feel I have a decent idea of what I'm watching. They're just different types of qbs.

[DaneMcCloud]

So let me get this straight: John Schneider and Pete Carroll, two guys that have had excellent results since being hired, which include two Super Bowl appearance and one victory, are now wrong if they let Wilson hit free agency? How does that work?

From Sports Illustrated's Robert Klemko this morning:

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/06/22/nfl-ch...well-eagles/6/

3. I think the Seahawks ultimately will franchise Russell Wilson in 2016 after his rookie contract expires, then let him walk in free agency. Based on the numbers I’m hearing out of the current contract talks, Wilson wants to be paid like the type of quarterback who would excel in any offense, without a world-class defense and an All-Pro running back. And despite all of Wilson’s successes, I don’t think John Schneider and his coaches are convinced he’s that kind of quarterback.

[Hootie]

I will give Luck some credit for his clutch play in the Pro Bowl.

[Hootie]

it's laughable to think people actually think Russell won't be a Seahawk

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by -King-

Alex Smith also had a season where he had 8 yards per attempt. I guess he's in the same tier too.

Just cause the averages are close doesn't mean that a player would be able to sustain it if his workload increased. I don't think Wilson would be as good as Luck if his workload and responsibilities were to suddenly increase.

That 8 YPA is almost a full yard greater than his next best season total. That's what we call a statistical outlier.

I understand you don't. I'm arguing the opposite because Wilson's come up big with the crucial play when necessary more often than not. I think, if they ask him to throw more he'll start putting up gaudy stats. Conversely, if Andrew Luck were asked to reduce his pass attempts by 200 per season, he likely wouldn't eclipse 4,000 yards or 30 TDs.

The two are actually shaping up to be the new school Tom Brady and Peyton Manning albeit currently better versions of the former's younger selves.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by O.city

They do play in a shit division where he basically gets thr Peyton treatment in that they'll win 12 every year or so and make the playoffs.

Wilson plays in a tough division but has a much better team.

I watch alot of football like you and like you said I feel I have a decent idea of what I'm watching. They're just different types of qbs.

Luck also gets to play his home games in a dome. Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford...it matters.

[Hootie]

King is a guy who was always on the Brady side in the Manning debates ... yet stats didn't matter then. When Brady was putting up pedestrian stats but winning games.

Suddenly, now stats matter. Makes sense!

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Luck also gets to play his home games in a done. Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford...it matters.

he also shares a division with Tennessee, Jax and Houston.

Man. Must be tough.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So let me get this straight: John Schneider and Pete Carroll, two guys that have had excellent results since being hired, which include two Super Bowl appearance and one victory, are now wrong if they let Wilson hit free agency? How does that work?

From Sports Illustrated's Robert Klemko this morning:

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/06/22/nfl-ch...well-eagles/6/

3. I think the Seahawks ultimately will franchise Russell Wilson in 2016 after his rookie contract expires, then let him walk in free agency. Based on the numbers I’m hearing out of the current contract talks, Wilson wants to be paid like the type of quarterback who would excel in any offense, without a world-class defense and an All-Pro running back. And despite all of Wilson’s successes, I don’t think John Schneider and his coaches are convinced he’s that kind of quarterback.

Oh boy...

[ThaVirus]

The funny thing is, Russell Wilson's stats shit on Luck's if you take a closer look.

63.4% completion to 58.6%. Wilson wins.

5.8% TD rate to 4.7%. Wilson wins.

2.1% INT rate to 2.7%. Wilson wins.

7.9 YPA to 7.1 YPA. Wilson wins.

98.6 passer rating to 86.6. Wilson wins.

To date, Luck's thrown for 12,957 yards to Wilson's 9,950. He also has 600 MORE ATTEMPTS.

[RunKC]

Here's all you need to know about the disparity of the team Russell Wilson is on the and one Andrew Luck is on.

In the championship games from each QB:

The best QB in the NFL on highest scoring offense in the NFL scores only 3 points off of ALL 4 Russell Wilson INT's. That's it.

The Colts defense allowed 21 points in the 3rd quarter alone

The Colts 22nd ranked rush offense ran for 65 yards.

Marshawn Lynch ran for 157 yards and a 6.3 YPC avg.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Brady tore up that elite defense pretty easily in the Super Bowl

...but apparently they were too tough for poor Aaron Rodgers ...

and Andrew Luck! That 12-33 against New England with 120 yards and 0 TD's and 2 INT's in the AFCCG ... what could he do?!?!?!?!! 1 against 53!

12-33 is fine

but throwing 4 picks and then winning the game with 3 clutch drives proves he's not as good as Luck

I think

...whatttttt

This is where we aren't able to equal up situations. If lucks defense were able to do what Wilson's did, maybe he can make plays ?

Bu5 luck also had the entire game to put up points like russel did in the superbowl.

[Hootie]

Andrew Luck's wins:

Jax X 2
Ten X2
Bal
Hou X2
Cin
Giants
Cleveland
Washington

Losses: Denver, Philly, Pitt, New England, Dallas

Really impressive stuff.