Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18

[Discuss Thrower]

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues

— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015

Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

Pole cumming.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

You said so yourself, sample size matters here. Wilson wins said stats but he's thrown it 600 times less. Throwing it, as you said, is more risky so I would assume Wilson's stats would change with 600 more attempts

As you said, it also potentially reaps more reward

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

That's based on an unhealthy obsession with physical measurements and potential.

To date, Russell Wilson has been the better QB.

I think you're getting a little carried away here.

[BigMeatballDave]

If Seattle pays Wilson we'll know what kind of QB he is in a few years.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

As you said, it also potentially reaps more reward

I agree, it does.

But that being the case, the fact that the Seahawks haven't asked Wilson to be more says something, no?

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Lmao EXCUSES

That's it. Hilarious.

Facts:

In the championship games from each QB:

The best QB in the NFL on highest scoring offense in the NFL scores only 3 points off of ALL 4 Russell Wilson INT's. That's it.

The Colts defense allowed 21 points in the 3rd quarter alone

The Colts 22nd ranked rush offense ran for 65 yards.

Marshawn Lynch ran for 157 yards and a 6.3 YPC avg.

Russell Wilson doesn't have consequences when he makes mistakes.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

That's based on an unhealthy obsession with physical measurements and potential.

To date, Russell Wilson has been the better QB.

How? In what way is being asked to do less and take on less responsibilities make you a better quarterback? You mean to tell me Luck wouldn't have won the superbowl in 2013 if he was with the Seahawks? Wilson won those three games with 103 yards, 215 yards, and 206 yards passing. He wasn't close to being anything special in those games. The defense was the most impressive thing in that superbowl run. Then Marshawn Lynch who had more touchdowns than Wilson that post season. And then finally Wilson.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

He wasn't.

Lynch's YPC average before Wilson: 4.0

Lynch's YPC with Wilson: 4.6

Wilson's running ability is like giving Seattle an extra player on offense. Teams have to account for him, and that opens things up for everyone else. It's pretty amazing that a QB can have two conference championships and a Super Bowl in his first 3 seasons and people still treat him like he's good but not great.

The dude has won 42 total games in his first 3 seasons. The Chiefs have 3 playoff wins since 1969. Wilson has 6.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think you're getting a little carried away here.

No, he's not. He's a ****ing moron when it comes to evaluating QBs. This is well established fact here at CP.

[RunKC]

I can't take anyone seriously in this discussion if they can't realize that Luck had the weight of the franchise on his shoulders and Wilson was on the most talented team in the league not asking him to do anywhere near as much.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Facts:

In the championship games from each QB:

The best QB in the NFL on highest scoring offense in the NFL scores only 3 points off of ALL 4 Russell Wilson INT's. That's it.

The Colts defense allowed 21 points in the 3rd quarter alone

The Colts 22nd ranked rush offense ran for 65 yards.

Marshawn Lynch ran for 157 yards and a 6.3 YPC avg.

Russell Wilson doesn't have consequences when he makes mistakes.

The Seahawks beat the Saints in a game where Wilson had 103 yards on 50% completion. The Seahawks held Drew Brees to 0 points for 3+ quarters. The game was never even really close despite what the 23-15 score says. The Saints didn't get that 2nd touchdown until there was 29 seconds left in the game.

That's the luxury Wilson has. He can win games comfortably when he really has no business doing so.

[Discuss Thrower]

Luck can (will?) prove himself to be the superior QB in the long run, but -as Hoot points out- the AFC South has been a dumpster fire and his three playoff wins were achieved by beating two decidedly inferior QBs (Andy Dalton and Alex Smith) and one superior QB who was playing terribly due to injury (Manning).

But how the **** do say "no" to a guy who averages 2 playoff wins a season in the span of time where the NFC West was one of the toughest divisions in football, three playoff wins were against teams QB'd by two of the best signal callers in the NFL (Rodgers, Brees and Manning) has lost two games in the playoffs by a combined margin of six points where he *still* managed to throw two TDs in these losses and where one of the INTs thrown was largely a product of dumb playcalling by the 'hawks in addition to a great play by Malcolm Butler.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Wilson's running ability is like giving Seattle an extra player on offense. Teams have to account for him, and that opens things up for everyone else. It's pretty amazing that a QB can have two conference championships and a Super Bowl in his first 3 seasons and people still treat him like he's good but not great.

The dude has won 42 total games in his first 3 seasons. The Chiefs have 3 playoff wins since 1969. Wilson has 6.

Yes, but largely because of the TEAM, not just Wilson.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

I agree, it does.

But that being the case, the fact that the Seahawks haven't asked Wilson to be more says something, no?

lol No, dude. Shit. I can't be any more clear. There would be absolutely no reason to ask Wilson to throw the ball 40 times a game on a consistent basis. None.

But, whenever they need him to make big plays, he generally does. He brought the team back from a 14-0 deficit in the playoffs against Washington his rookie year, balled out and threw for over 300 yards in that same post season against Atlanta, he converted an insane 6 of 9 3rd downs on passing plays in the SB against Denver while ending the game with an 88 QBR, threw that absolute dime TD to Kearse on 4th down in the 2014 NFCCG, and we all know how clutch he was to end this latest NFCCG against the Packers.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Facts:

In the championship games from each QB:

The best QB in the NFL on highest scoring offense in the NFL scores only 3 points off of ALL 4 Russell Wilson INT's. That's it.

The Colts defense allowed 21 points in the 3rd quarter alone

The Colts 22nd ranked rush offense ran for 65 yards.

Marshawn Lynch ran for 157 yards and a 6.3 YPC avg.

Russell Wilson doesn't have consequences when he makes mistakes.

Andrew Luck in the playoffs:

6 games 9 TDs 12 INTs QB rating by season: 59.8, 76.4, 71.8


Russell Wilson in the playoffs:

8 games 12 TDs 6 INTs QB rating by season: 102.4, 101.6, 90.3

[RunKC]

In 2006, the Chicago Bears made the Super Bowl with Rex ****ing Grossman at QB.
The 2013 Seattle Seahawks were more talented than that team overall.

Russell Wilson is a good QB and he's very much so a guy I would love to have on my team, but he is NOT a franchise QB.

In 2016 we will all see the real Russell Wilson when he's paid and his team is considerably void of talent compared to this moment due to paying him elite money.