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Old 06-21-2015, 11:57 AM  
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Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18





Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

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Old 06-22-2015, 11:56 AM   #376
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The main difference between the two QBs has been running game and defense. Neither has had a great cast around him on offense, especially in the passing game (Luck's has been better than Wilson's in terms of WR/TE). I think Luck as QB of the Seahawks has won at least one SB, as Wilson has done.

We need more time for this to play out. Luck's ceiling is higher, and he's less likely to get hurt over the long run, and less likely to see his game go south as he doesn't rely on speed/mobility in the pocket to avoid pressure. Wilson waits longer for plays to develop, but partially because he CAN, and obviously has alot less pressure on him to perform well every week for his team to have a chance.

This conversation will be alot more interesting in 2020 or 2025 I think, than it is now.
Luck has had 2 complete turd games in the playoffs out of 6 tries.

12/33 126 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:57 AM   #377
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That Colt defense usually plays pretty well in big games.
They have given up 40 or more points 3 times in the last 2 postseasons.

And you're comparing that to the Seahawks defense?

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Old 06-22-2015, 12:00 PM   #378
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So Alex Smith gets carried by his running game and defense to 9-10 wins and all is right with the world.

When Russell Wilson gets "carried" by his defense and running game and makes clutch plays to win playoff games and championships, the dude is slammed.

Funny place, CP is.
Would he have needed to make some of those clutch plays had he played better early?
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Old 06-22-2015, 12:01 PM   #379
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Andrew Luck playoff game TDs/INTs:

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The guy has played in 6 postseason games and has thrown multiple INTs 4 times.

Wilson has played in 8 postseason games and has thrown multiple INTs once.
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Old 06-22-2015, 12:03 PM   #380
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Would he have needed to make some of those clutch plays had he played better early?
Andrew Luck had 1 TD and 3 INTs against the Chiefs before the entire KC roster went down with concussions.
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Would he have needed to make some of those clutch plays had he played better early?
Impossible to know.

The difference is that he actually makes the plays when necessary, unlike the other QB I mentioned.
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Number of pass attempts in playoff games would be something I'd like to see. Rushing yrds for , defense etc.

Just too difficult to compare
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Impossible to know.

The difference is that he actually makes the plays when necessary, unlike the other QB in the discussion.
Andrew luck?

No one has brought up smith in like 10 pages until you did I don't think.
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Andrew Luck had 1 TD and 3 INTs against the Chiefs before the entire KC roster went down with concussions.
True, he wasn't good in that game early, but he kept throwing it and won.

Wilson gets a badge for doing that against the packers, but luck doesn't against th chiefs?
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Someone said something like 2-9 when his defense gives up 24 or more.

Is that true?
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ok. Well then I never want to hear from any idiot on this board that you can only win with a franchise QB.

Because CLEARLY the real formula is to have an Alex Smith at QB, a Marshawn Lynch at RB, and an elite defense.

You clearly don't need a TE, you don't need ANY receivers (at all), you don't need a tremendous offensive line. Nothing.

You just need Alex Smith. Marshawn Lynch. And a great defense. That's it. Nothing more.

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Russel wilson is a franchise qb. Don't know that he's elite yet, but franchise qb absolutely.
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Number of pass attempts in playoff games would be something I'd like to see. Rushing yrds for , defense etc.

Just too difficult to compare
If 2 games with 84 pass attempts, 0 TDs, and 3 INTs needs context, I don't know what to tell you.
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Andrew luck?

No one has brought up smith in like 10 pages until you did I don't think.
I edited my post to clarify.

Point being, people around here bend over backwards to prop up Alex Smith, yet have no problems finding the smallest things to bash two of the best young QB's in the league over.

This fanbase deserves mediocrity.
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True, he wasn't good in that game early, but he kept throwing it and won.

Wilson gets a badge for doing that against the packers, but luck doesn't against th chiefs?
I'm not arguing against Luck. My position is that Wilson absolutely belongs in the conversation with him in terms of elite NFL QBs...of which there are 3.
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