Chiefs Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18 - Page 37

Discuss Thrower · 06-21-2015, 11:57 AM

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues
— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015

Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

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**The Franchise** · 06-23-2015, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I can't wait for 2016 when Russell gets the biggest QB contract ever, the Seahawks lose key talent and Wilson is going to be forced to out score teams on a consistent basis like Luck has his entire career.

And then all will see why this argument was ever made between him and Luck.

And if/when he does it?

What kind of team is Luck going to have when he gets his new deal? You know it's going to be huge.

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 10:46 AM

Please, by all means, just let me know before the season when Luck is considered to have a good team around him so I can know whether or not it's Luck 1 on 53 or not

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 10:51 AM

because it sure looks like he has a decent roster with a loaded offense, to me

but I'm sure that I'm just looking at things wrong and he's playing with 52 guys off the street

**The Franchise** · 06-23-2015, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

because it sure looks like he has a decent roster with a loaded offense, to me

but I'm sure that I'm just looking at things wrong and he's playing with 52 guys off the street

Colts will be in the AFC Championship game again this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they made the Superbowl.

RunKC · 06-23-2015, 10:58 AM

Hey Hootie,

Alex beat Stafford, Eli, Big Ben and Brees in 2011, then Rodgers, Stafford, and Wilson the next year in 8 games before getting hurt.

Wilson is playing the same exact role Alex did in SF. He's essentially a game manager who plays that role better than Alex bc he is more accurate downfield and is far more lethal with his legs.

The moment that defense starts to crack the Seahawks are in major trouble. We saw it 3X last year.

SD
Dallas
KC

They rely on that defense first and foremost. 2-9 record when his team gives up 24 or more points.

He's not a franchise QB.

O.city · 06-23-2015, 11:00 AM

Wilson hasn't exactly had a plethora of receiving threats to win shootouts though so that's not surprising. They haven't really been an explosive offense, but they haven't had to be.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-23-2015, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I should have voted "no". Wilson deserves better than this idiotic fan base that thinks Alex Smith is the same caliber as he is.

Truth.

O.city · 06-23-2015, 11:01 AM

Did any of you read the article I posted yesterday about Wilson?

Hammock Parties · 06-23-2015, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

Wilson is playing the same exact role Alex did in SF. He's essentially a game manager

Game managers don't enter the league and rank in the top 7 in yards per completion three years in a row.

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 11:02 AM

The moment a defense starts to crack for any team they are in major trouble. Do you not realize that every time New England has won a Super Bowl, it was because they paired up Tom Brady with a really good defense? Every time. Cowherd says it all the time. When Peyton won, his defense played very well. When Brees won, same thing. When Eli won two, yep, defense.

You'll be hard pressed to find many past Super Bowl champions who didn't also play really good defense.

The one year Aaron won? Yep. You guessed it!

RunKC · 06-23-2015, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

The moment a defense starts to crack for any team they are in major trouble. Do you not realize that every time New England has won a Super Bowl, it was because they paired up Tom Brady with a really good defense? Every time. Cowherd says it all the time. When Peyton won, his defense played very well. When Brees won, same thing. When Eli won two, yep, defense.

You'll be hard pressed to find many past Super Bowl champions who didn't also play really good defense.

The one year Aaron won? Yep. You guessed it!

If you're a Chiefs fan you already know the answer to this question regarding Andrew Luck.

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 11:08 AM

if you're referencing the Colts/Chiefs playoff game and have concluded that's why Andrew Luck is awesome ... then ok man

just shows me you don't watch enough football

you can't give Luck a pass for the AFCCG and then conclude Russell is just carried by his defense when Russell played THAT SAME TEAM IN THE SUPER BOWL, watched Tom Brady carve up SAID VAUNTED DEFENSE, while Russell single-handedly kept them in the game in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, built them up a lead, and then even got them a yard away before the worst play call in history. He had a 92 QBR in that game. He was literally the only reason the Hawks had a chance. New England was clearly the better team and they had a 11% chance to win with 20 seconds remaining and won.

You're making excuses for Luck. So is everyone else. Luck has been awesome thus far in his career for a young QB. He hasn't been TRULY elite, and he hasn't been as good as Russell Wilson. Period.

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 11:14 AM

People don't understand how amazing Russell was in that Super Bowl. That dude has "it". Just like Tom Brady has "it." I think Luck has "it", but I haven't necessarily seen "it" yet. I have from Wilson. All that dude does is win. He did it against Atlanta his rookie year. He did it against Green Bay in a game where he was flat bad for 3.5 quarters yet still showed what a winner he was ... and he did it against New England.

For a board obsessed with chokers and choking ... it's hilarious to me that a guy literally shows the clutch gene CONSTANTLY and he's just Alex Smith ... well, a slightly better Alex Smith.

You want a stat?

Russell Wilson is 5-0 in overtime games. This includes scoring a TD 3 out of 4 times (including the NFCCG against Green Bay) on the opening drive (since the rule change states that's the only way the opposition doesn't get a chance to tie/win). His team only punting once.

So in 5 overtime games ... Seattle has gotten the ball first 4 times. 3 of those times they scored a TD. They punted one time. The 5th game, the defense forced a punt, and then Wilson led his team down on the very next drive to an easy FG to win the game.

Yep. Not clutch at all.

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 11:18 AM

5-0 in OT
6-2 in the playoffs (his QBR in these losses: 91 and 93)

His 2 playoff losses included him having the best 2nd half I've ever seen a QB have in the postseason against Atlanta. He led his team to a game winning TD drive with 30 seconds left and his vaunted defense let Ryan complete two ridiculous passes and Bryant hit a 50 yarder. And we all remember this past Super Bowl.

THIS BOARD HAS TOLD ME FOR 10 YEARS THAT TOM BRADY IS BETTER THAN PEYTON MANNING BECAUSE OF HOW HE PLAYS IN BIG MOMENTS.

...but now Russell Wilson is just a system QB propped up by a good team

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 11:19 AM

and I'm doing the new QBR, which is out of 100

His two postseason losses

91 and 93

These are INSANE games. Just INSANE.

FOR REFERENCE, Tom Brady's record breaking year he posted a QBR of 87. In the Super Bowl this year, his QBR was 82. Those are RIDICULOUS games.

Russell?

91 and 93.

Anything over 60 is good.

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06-21-2015, 11:57 AM
Discuss Thrower "You like to drink?" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: "I like to drink." Casino cash: $-230000	Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18 Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues — DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015 Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson? Pole cumming.
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06-23-2015, 10:46 AM	#542
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Please, by all means, just let me know before the season when Luck is considered to have a good team around him so I can know whether or not it's Luck 1 on 53 or not
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06-23-2015, 10:51 AM	#543
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	because it sure looks like he has a decent roster with a loaded offense, to me but I'm sure that I'm just looking at things wrong and he's playing with 52 guys off the street
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06-23-2015, 10:58 AM	#545
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1490389	Hey Hootie, Alex beat Stafford, Eli, Big Ben and Brees in 2011, then Rodgers, Stafford, and Wilson the next year in 8 games before getting hurt. Wilson is playing the same exact role Alex did in SF. He's essentially a game manager who plays that role better than Alex bc he is more accurate downfield and is far more lethal with his legs. The moment that defense starts to crack the Seahawks are in major trouble. We saw it 3X last year. SD Dallas KC They rely on that defense first and foremost. 2-9 record when his team gives up 24 or more points. He's not a franchise QB. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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06-23-2015, 11:00 AM	#546
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-595936	Wilson hasn't exactly had a plethora of receiving threats to win shootouts though so that's not surprising. They haven't really been an explosive offense, but they haven't had to be.
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06-23-2015, 11:01 AM	#548
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-595936	Did any of you read the article I posted yesterday about Wilson?
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06-23-2015, 11:02 AM	#550
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	The moment a defense starts to crack for any team they are in major trouble. Do you not realize that every time New England has won a Super Bowl, it was because they paired up Tom Brady with a really good defense? Every time. Cowherd says it all the time. When Peyton won, his defense played very well. When Brees won, same thing. When Eli won two, yep, defense. You'll be hard pressed to find many past Super Bowl champions who didn't also play really good defense. The one year Aaron won? Yep. You guessed it!
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06-23-2015, 11:08 AM	#552
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	if you're referencing the Colts/Chiefs playoff game and have concluded that's why Andrew Luck is awesome ... then ok man just shows me you don't watch enough football you can't give Luck a pass for the AFCCG and then conclude Russell is just carried by his defense when Russell played THAT SAME TEAM IN THE SUPER BOWL, watched Tom Brady carve up SAID VAUNTED DEFENSE, while Russell single-handedly kept them in the game in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, built them up a lead, and then even got them a yard away before the worst play call in history. He had a 92 QBR in that game. He was literally the only reason the Hawks had a chance. New England was clearly the better team and they had a 11% chance to win with 20 seconds remaining and won. You're making excuses for Luck. So is everyone else. Luck has been awesome thus far in his career for a young QB. He hasn't been TRULY elite, and he hasn't been as good as Russell Wilson. Period.
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06-23-2015, 11:14 AM	#553
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	People don't understand how amazing Russell was in that Super Bowl. That dude has "it". Just like Tom Brady has "it." I think Luck has "it", but I haven't necessarily seen "it" yet. I have from Wilson. All that dude does is win. He did it against Atlanta his rookie year. He did it against Green Bay in a game where he was flat bad for 3.5 quarters yet still showed what a winner he was ... and he did it against New England. For a board obsessed with chokers and choking ... it's hilarious to me that a guy literally shows the clutch gene CONSTANTLY and he's just Alex Smith ... well, a slightly better Alex Smith. You want a stat? Russell Wilson is 5-0 in overtime games. This includes scoring a TD 3 out of 4 times (including the NFCCG against Green Bay) on the opening drive (since the rule change states that's the only way the opposition doesn't get a chance to tie/win). His team only punting once. So in 5 overtime games ... Seattle has gotten the ball first 4 times. 3 of those times they scored a TD. They punted one time. The 5th game, the defense forced a punt, and then Wilson led his team down on the very next drive to an easy FG to win the game. Yep. Not clutch at all.
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06-23-2015, 11:18 AM	#554
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	5-0 in OT 6-2 in the playoffs (his QBR in these losses: 91 and 93) His 2 playoff losses included him having the best 2nd half I've ever seen a QB have in the postseason against Atlanta. He led his team to a game winning TD drive with 30 seconds left and his vaunted defense let Ryan complete two ridiculous passes and Bryant hit a 50 yarder. And we all remember this past Super Bowl. THIS BOARD HAS TOLD ME FOR 10 YEARS THAT TOM BRADY IS BETTER THAN PEYTON MANNING BECAUSE OF HOW HE PLAYS IN BIG MOMENTS. ...but now Russell Wilson is just a system QB propped up by a good team
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06-23-2015, 11:19 AM	#555
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and I'm doing the new QBR, which is out of 100 His two postseason losses 91 and 93 These are INSANE games. Just INSANE. FOR REFERENCE, Tom Brady's record breaking year he posted a QBR of 87. In the Super Bowl this year, his QBR was 82. Those are RIDICULOUS games. Russell? 91 and 93. Anything over 60 is good.
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