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Discuss Thrower · 06-21-2015, 11:57 AM

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues
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Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

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ChiefsCountry · 06-25-2015, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

In the end, it's all about value and what you get for said money. Somewhat like a WAR kinda thing.

They paid pennies on the dollar for 100 dollars worth of value. With a new contract, that changes.

They won a Super Bowl about had two. Pay the man. Winning a ship is good enough especially in this league. Win 2 or more and it shouldn't matter. The likely hood of winning anymore than that is so slim anyways.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-25-2015, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Tom Brady, in his first 4 seasons as a starter averaged 225 yards a game, while attempting nearly twice as many passes as Russel Wilson.

The fact is, Wilson is better at this stage in his career than Brady was at the same stage.

He's more efficient, and makes bigger plays.

Who would you rather have as your QB, Wilson or Luck? This is the real question.

Marcellus · 06-25-2015, 08:47 PM

I voted yes and have to say Russel's demands are bullshit.

I am sick and tired of every single good player demanding to be the highest paid at their job in a situation where they can be top 10 and be uber wealthy.

This goes for Houston and everyone else who keeps "demanding" more $ than anyone else.

If you are in a good situation why not just take a reasonably high offer and move on? You are going to be rich anyway you look at it and wont likely be able to spend it anyway.

**** that's frustrating to me.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-25-2015, 08:48 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...st-paid-player

Report: Russell Wilson wants to be NFL's highest-paid player

To be the best you've got to beat the best. And to be the richest you've got to, um, beat the richest. Or something. The point here is if Russell Wilson wants to be the highest-paid player in the NFL, he's got to topple Aaron Rodgers' contract.

According to Jason Cole of Bleacher/Report, that's exactly what Wilson wants to do. Cole reported Wednesday that Wilson's "contract demands have exceeded the five-year, $110 million deal that Aaron Rodgers signed with the Green Bay Packers."

Cole spoke to Wilson's agent Mark Rodgers who "did not necessarily deny that he has asked" for the biggest deal in the league and "did not dispute it in any way."

Mark Rodgers told Cole "he wanted to create a contract that created a relevant structure for Wilson going forward." Put another way, if Wilson isn't paid like a top-five quarterback now, he won't be paid like a top-10 quarterback in a year, when Andrew Luck, Philip Rivers and Eli Manning all sign new deals, to say nothing of a new contract for Aaron Rodgers.

A potential boom in the salary cap is a major issue for Wilson if he takes less money now, far less of an issue for the Seahawks. Their biggest problem is allowing this to drag on too long and allowing a salary-cap boom to create space that would justify paying Wilson what he wants.

The other issue is how expensive Wilson will be to keep around moving forward. If he plays out his rookie deal, Wilson will be subject to the franchise tag, which would net him (and cost the Seahawks) about $25 million guaranteed in 2016 and north of $30 million guaranteed in 2017 should they choose to exercise it each year.

That's $55 million guaranteed right there with no long-term security of having a quarterback. It's also, coincidentally, one million more guaranteed than Rodgers received on his 2013 contract.

So Wilson's at least already in the ballpark of beating Rodgers when it comes to negotiations while also holding the whole "hey, I won a Super Bowl" trump card. Even if it comes with the caveat of playing with Marshawn Lynch and the Seahawks defense.

It's kind of insane to think of Wilson as the highest-paid player in the NFL. But if he hits the mark he won't be for long. Someone's got to topple Rodgers so he can take the crown back.

Or maybe this is just another semi-subtle jab in the back-and-forth offseason between Wilson and the Seahawks.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-25-2015, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Tom Brady, in his first 4 seasons as a starter averaged 225 yards a game, while attempting nearly twice as many passes as Russel Wilson.

The fact is, Wilson is better at this stage in his career than Brady was at the same stage.

He's more efficient, and makes bigger plays.

I think Wilson's a good QB but I don't think his ceiling is Tom Brady in his prime.

If the Seahawks agreed, he'd be signed by now.

Hootie · 06-25-2015, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think Wilson's a good QB but I don't think his ceiling is Tom Brady in his prime.

If the Seahawks agreed, he'd be signed by now.

Cuz Wilson doesn't have another year under contract or anything

ThaVirus · 06-25-2015, 09:45 PM

Wilson will get the richest QB contract ever, then Luck will sign his new contract which will be the new richest QB contract, then Rodgers' extension will be up and he'll sign the new richest QB contract again..

Hootie · 06-25-2015, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Wilson will get the richest QB contract ever, then Luck will sign his new contract which will be the new richest QB contract, then Rodgers' extension will be up and he'll sign the new richest QB contract again..

Yep ... Dane studied music, not basic economics

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-25-2015, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Cuz Wilson doesn't have another year under contract or anything

The Seahawks would be wise to sign him now, not in 2016, because they'll need to Franchise him and offer him an even bigger contract due to the increase in the salary cap.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-25-2015, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Yep ... Dane studied music, not basic economics

This makes absolutely no sense. How do "economics" figure into Wilson receiving the highest contract in NFL history?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-26-2015, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Seahawks would be wise to sign him now, not in 2016, because they'll need to Franchise him and offer him an even bigger contract due to the increase in the salary cap.

Just like Houston?......

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-26-2015, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams

Just like Houston?......

From my understanding, Houston's franchise number for his position is $13 million, whereas the franchise cap number for a QB in 2016 will be closer to $25 million.

If Wilson and the Seahawks can't agree to a long term deal before 2016, that's a gigantic cap hit for a team filled with younger players about to enter into their second contracts.

Deberg_1990 · 06-26-2015, 10:59 AM

The Patriots will sign him to an offer sheet and dump Brady.
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Hootie · 06-26-2015, 11:05 AM

well, here is what I know:

Joe Flacco is an inferior QB to Russell Wilson. I don't think it's close.

The Ravens "gambled" on Flacco (honestly, I think they were going to let him walk) and he went on a ridiculous playoff run (lucky, albeit) and it ended up costing the Ravens $40+M and a TON of guaranteed money. It pretty much cost them 2 really good players per year to "gamble" and let him play that last year.

If the Seahawks want to do the same, it'll burn them, too. If they want to go the "franchise tag" route, it'll cost them north of $55M GUARANTEED for 2 years of franchising Wilson after this year (if they franchise him both years).

They are going to pay him. It's a non-story. He'll get Aaron Rodgers' contract with more guaranteed money and it'll be done. That's just the way it is. And then when Luck gets paid, he'll get Aaron' Rodgers contract + 20% with even more guaranteed money.

**BossChief** · 06-26-2015, 11:10 AM

Lucks gonna get a 6 year deal for 150 with 100 guaranteed.

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06-21-2015, 11:57 AM
Discuss Thrower "You like to drink?" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: "I like to drink." Casino cash: $-310000	Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18 Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues — DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015 Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson? Pole cumming.
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06-25-2015, 08:47 PM	#978
Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-447338	I voted yes and have to say Russel's demands are bullshit. I am sick and tired of every single good player demanding to be the highest paid at their job in a situation where they can be top 10 and be uber wealthy. This goes for Houston and everyone else who keeps "demanding" more $ than anyone else. If you are in a good situation why not just take a reasonably high offer and move on? You are going to be rich anyway you look at it and wont likely be able to spend it anyway. **** that's frustrating to me.
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06-25-2015, 08:48 PM	#979
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...st-paid-player Report: Russell Wilson wants to be NFL's highest-paid player To be the best you've got to beat the best. And to be the richest you've got to, um, beat the richest. Or something. The point here is if Russell Wilson wants to be the highest-paid player in the NFL, he's got to topple Aaron Rodgers' contract. According to Jason Cole of Bleacher/Report, that's exactly what Wilson wants to do. Cole reported Wednesday that Wilson's "contract demands have exceeded the five-year, $110 million deal that Aaron Rodgers signed with the Green Bay Packers." Cole spoke to Wilson's agent Mark Rodgers who "did not necessarily deny that he has asked" for the biggest deal in the league and "did not dispute it in any way." Mark Rodgers told Cole "he wanted to create a contract that created a relevant structure for Wilson going forward." Put another way, if Wilson isn't paid like a top-five quarterback now, he won't be paid like a top-10 quarterback in a year, when Andrew Luck, Philip Rivers and Eli Manning all sign new deals, to say nothing of a new contract for Aaron Rodgers. A potential boom in the salary cap is a major issue for Wilson if he takes less money now, far less of an issue for the Seahawks. Their biggest problem is allowing this to drag on too long and allowing a salary-cap boom to create space that would justify paying Wilson what he wants. The other issue is how expensive Wilson will be to keep around moving forward. If he plays out his rookie deal, Wilson will be subject to the franchise tag, which would net him (and cost the Seahawks) about $25 million guaranteed in 2016 and north of $30 million guaranteed in 2017 should they choose to exercise it each year. That's $55 million guaranteed right there with no long-term security of having a quarterback. It's also, coincidentally, one million more guaranteed than Rodgers received on his 2013 contract. So Wilson's at least already in the ballpark of beating Rodgers when it comes to negotiations while also holding the whole "hey, I won a Super Bowl" trump card. Even if it comes with the caveat of playing with Marshawn Lynch and the Seahawks defense. It's kind of insane to think of Wilson as the highest-paid player in the NFL. But if he hits the mark he won't be for long. Someone's got to topple Rodgers so he can take the crown back. Or maybe this is just another semi-subtle jab in the back-and-forth offseason between Wilson and the Seahawks.
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06-25-2015, 09:45 PM	#982
ThaVirus 5 o’clock free crack giveaway Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $-1757631	Wilson will get the richest QB contract ever, then Luck will sign his new contract which will be the new richest QB contract, then Rodgers' extension will be up and he'll sign the new richest QB contract again..
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06-26-2015, 10:59 AM	#988
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $174454	The Patriots will sign him to an offer sheet and dump Brady. Posted via Mobile Device
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06-26-2015, 11:05 AM	#989
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	well, here is what I know: Joe Flacco is an inferior QB to Russell Wilson. I don't think it's close. The Ravens "gambled" on Flacco (honestly, I think they were going to let him walk) and he went on a ridiculous playoff run (lucky, albeit) and it ended up costing the Ravens $40+M and a TON of guaranteed money. It pretty much cost them 2 really good players per year to "gamble" and let him play that last year. If the Seahawks want to do the same, it'll burn them, too. If they want to go the "franchise tag" route, it'll cost them north of $55M GUARANTEED for 2 years of franchising Wilson after this year (if they franchise him both years). They are going to pay him. It's a non-story. He'll get Aaron Rodgers' contract with more guaranteed money and it'll be done. That's just the way it is. And then when Luck gets paid, he'll get Aaron' Rodgers contract + 20% with even more guaranteed money.
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06-26-2015, 11:10 AM	#990
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1695912	Lucks gonna get a 6 year deal for 150 with 100 guaranteed. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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