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Old 06-21-2015, 11:57 AM  
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Old 06-28-2015, 03:14 PM   #1261
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Alex Smith is a good QB, by the way.

My issues with Smith are pretty well documented on this site. He frustrates me because he leaves so many yards, 1st downs, TDs, etc. on the field with his risk-aversion. I appreciate his lack of turnovers, which obviously help us win many games, but he needs to open up in a big way. I'm tired of the other team getting a 7 point lead and feeling like we've basically got no shot to win the game.
... Or having possession in a 2-minute drill with the opportunity to tie/win and constantly being let down.

Alex fails miserably in those situations. Russell excels. And that's not something you'll often see on a stat sheet.
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Old 06-28-2015, 03:15 PM   #1262
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Why are people putting the consistency ALL on one player?

The last 2 season we have seen a different starter at the following positions.

LT
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There has been no No consistency at all, especially on the OL.
Russell's gone through similar changes. Shit, most every QB in the league does.

Look at Rivers. That dude seems to have an entirely different starting offensive line by week 17 every damn year.
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Old 06-28-2015, 03:16 PM   #1263
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Russell's gone through similar changes. Shit, most every QB in the league does.

Look at Rivers. That dude seems to have an entirely different starting offensive line by week 17 every damn year.
Excuses don't work for other QBs, only Alex.
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Old 06-28-2015, 03:17 PM   #1264
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He's a 1x qb. He's not gonna hurt the team but he's going to make it exactly what it is, on occasion better, in occasion worse.

It seems they've built the offense to his strengths this year but that's yet to be seen
I know. He is what he is. I've accepted it.

I really want to root for the guy. I do root for him every Sunday. I just need him to do better.
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Old 06-28-2015, 03:23 PM   #1265
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Russell's gone through similar changes. Shit, most every QB in the league does.

Look at Rivers. That dude seems to have an entirely different starting offensive line by week 17 every damn year.
We scored more points than them, swept them and they didn't make the playoffs.

Point proven.
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Old 06-28-2015, 03:41 PM   #1266
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Old 06-28-2015, 03:47 PM   #1267
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LT is important.

We went from a very good LT to a dumpster fire.
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Old 06-28-2015, 03:56 PM   #1268
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LT is important.

We went from a very good LT to a dumpster fire.
The Chiefs scored 45 points with Donald Stephenson at left tackle in 2013, so once again, your nonsense is debunked.
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The Chiefs scored 45 points with Donald Stephenson at left tackle in 2013, so once again, your nonsense is debunked.
Yeah but they were playing the shitty-ass Redskins.

I mean come on. Albert was very, very good in 2013. Fisher was shit last year.

Huge difference.
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Alex Smith is a good QB, by the way.

My issues with Smith are pretty well documented on this site. He frustrates me because he leaves so many yards, 1st downs, TDs, etc. on the field with his risk-aversion. I appreciate his lack of turnovers, which obviously help us win many games, but he needs to open up in a big way. I'm tired of the other team getting a 7 point lead and feeling like we've basically got no shot to win the game.
All of this is pretty fair, to be honest. If every one of the "haters" would just state this from the beginning, I doubt there would be much contention.

I strongly suspect that the fair criticisms you express here will be improved, but it will require improvement in the roster around him. I believe the WRs will be improved and enough to make much of the criticisms dissipate. I'm hesitant to say the same about the OL (C/RT), but I can see them being improved as well.
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The NFL is a very simple game at the end of the day. You win when your quarterback plays well. You lose when he doesn't.

It's one reason why Russell Wilson has an upper hand with the Seattle Seahawks in his bid to become the top-paid QB in the NFL: he's already won two conference titles and a Super Bowl in just three seasons.

Why so much success? Because Russell has quietly become one of the most efficient passers in NFL history (98.6 rating), especially for such a young player.

Pair a historically efficient passer like Wilson with a shutdown pass defense like the Legion of Boom, which habitually renders opposing passers INefficient, and you have the foundation of a team that can consistently compete for championships for years to come.

The Seahawks simply can't afford to let go such a deadly efficient performer.

All the proof in the world of the importance of efficient quarterbacking is provided by our groundbreaking Quality Stat, Passer Rating Differential -- an indicator so powerful we call it The Mother of All Stats.

Sure, a lot of complex factors go into one quarterback excelling over the other game in and game out. Coaching, blocking, tackling, scheme, the quality of the defense each QB is paired with, even a lucky bounce here and there.

But more often than not, the team with the more efficient, more effective quarterback wins. The team with the less effcient, less effective quarterback loses.

By extension, great, efficient quarterbacks win more games. Lousy, inefficient quarterbacks lose more games.

We've demonstrated the correlation between Passer Rating Differential and championship potential year after year, throughout all of NFL history. A little refresher is right here:

27 of 75 NFL champions since 1940 (36%) finished the year No. 1 in Passer Rating Differential
45 of 75 NFL champions since 1940 (60%) finished in the Top 3 in Passer Rating Differential
60 of 75 NFL champions since 1940 (80%) finished in the Top 5 in Passer Rating Differential
It's a pretty remarkable set of results. Armed with no information other than the annual PRD leaderboard, you can name better than 1 in 3 NFL champions over the past three quarters of a century. There is probably no stat more important in all of North American sports.
The 2013 Seahawks were a prime example: they finished No. 1 in PRD for the first time in franchise history. No coincidence they won the Super Bowl for the first time in franchise history. (The 2014 Patriots, for the record, finished No. 5 in PRD, well within the range of championship potential.)

You may not know that we also track the game-to-game importance of Passer Rating Differential each season with our "Big Boards," which measure every team performance every game in each of our Quality Stats. You can see the 2014 Passer Rating Differential Big Board right here.

We've posted the top 47 performances of 2014 below, for a reason that will soon be obvious. The game-to-game data merely reconfirms what the historic data has long told us: teams win when they win the battle of passing efficiency; and teams dominate when they dominate the battle of passing efficiency.

Teams might sneak a win here and there despite losing the battle of PRD. But it's IMPOSSIBLE to consistently win on the scoreboard consistently if you don't consistently win the battle of passing efficiency.

Some nuggets from the 2014 Passer Rating Differential Big Board:

The top 47 teams in PRD were a perfect 47-0 (1.000) in the win-loss column
The top 102 teams went 99-3 (.971)
The top 200 teams went 178-22 (.890)
Bottom line: the NFL is all about the quarterback. It's always been all about the quarterback. Efficient quarterbacks win games; inefficient quarterbacks lose games, to the point that almost nothing always matters.

But don't just take our word for it. Check out the sortable 2014 PRD Big Board here. Play around with it. And prove to yourself that Passer Rating Differential is the Mother of All Stats.
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