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Old 06-29-2015, 02:58 PM  
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"Alex Smith makes your defense better"
Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

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Old 06-30-2015, 09:29 AM   #91
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Old 06-30-2015, 11:15 AM   #92
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A huge sign that says "Home of the HiddenTouchdown" needs to be erected over Arrowhead.
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Old 06-30-2015, 11:26 AM   #93
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What I think is hilarious, is the very first point the writer made to support his argument is one that isn't even remotely true. He tried to argue that the 2012 49ers were a perfect example of this, as their D gave up more points when Kaepernick started than Smith did.

I looked up the stats. Smith threw 5 interceptions in the first 8 games. Kaepernick threw 3. LMFAO.

This article and point of view is a joke....especially when you have a top tier defense (which we do).
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Old 06-30-2015, 11:43 AM   #94
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What I think is hilarious, is the very first point the writer made to support his argument is one that isn't even remotely true. He tried to argue that the 2012 49ers were a perfect example of this, as their D gave up more points when Kaepernick started than Smith did.

I looked up the stats. Smith threw 5 interceptions in the first 8 games. Kaepernick threw 3. LMFAO.

This article and point of view is a joke....especially when you have a top tier defense (which we do).
Kaerpernick's time also featured a tougher schedule against better offenses, including the playoffs. But that's irrelevant!

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Old 06-30-2015, 03:08 PM   #95
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If you're going to give hidden points, you should also take away hidden points, which are the byproduct of inaccuracy, poor decision making, overly cautious play, et al.

Also, what's better:

3 TDs, 3 INTs
or
0 TDs, 0INTs

Answer: 3TDs, 3INTs. An INT isn't -7 points in reality. A touchdown is +7 or 8 points, in reality.
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Old 06-30-2015, 04:46 PM   #96
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Old 06-30-2015, 06:26 PM   #97
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I just can not agree with this.

Brett Favre was the ultimate gunslinger, and his lack of ball security almost certainly cost the Packers numerous opportunities in the playoffs.

Alex Smith is at the total opposite end if the spectrum however.

There is a happy medium.

We want a QB that weighs ball security with calculated risk.

Alex Smith never pushes the envelope, so when the time comes to push, he can't even find it.
Yes, a happy medium is ideal.

Given the choice though, I'd rather have a guy who leans a little more gunslinger.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:02 PM   #98
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This guy is reaching for the stars, I try to lean positive in most situations but this is too much.

Smith is a steady, reliable vet who's played in some big games on some good teams... he will rarely kill your chances for a win with a terrible mistake, and he will also rarely win a game for you with gunslinging heroics.

At his very, very best he's a fringe top 10 player... we could definitely do worse, and most teams do.

But there are no magical secret squirrel points outside of touchdowns.

Its AP, people here like to sling "true fan" at people like me and others ... you should see the poll they have about "who can the Chiefs least afford to lose?".

Charles
Smith
Houston
Other

Charles won, which sure, thats fine and I get it but voted differently... but a way too close second was Smith followed in a distant third by Houston.

This year, next year, the year after that... the guy we HAVE to keep is Houston, he's just that good.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:08 PM   #99
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This stat is a ****ing lie. I don't care about it.

If you're not scoring enough, you're not scoring enough, period, and the # of drives doesn't enter into it.
How in the wide world could points per drive not be relevant to how efficient your offense is?
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How in the wide world could points per drive not be relevant to how efficient your offense is?
Because it's a sneak thief way of measuring offensive efficiency by Alex Smith homers who are deceitful, lying skanks.

When you suck at offense long drives that don't score many points isn't a good thing.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:39 PM   #101
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Because it's a sneak thief way of measuring offensive efficiency by Alex Smith homers who are deceitful, lying skanks.

When you suck at offense long drives that don't score many points isn't a good thing.

No shit Sherlock. What does long drives that don't score points have to do with avg points scored per drive except to make it worse? Which doesn't fit your narrative.
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No shit Sherlock. What does long drives that don't score points have to do with avg points scored per drive except to make it worse? Which doesn't fit your narrative.
That's why our points per drive is high, but our actual points are low.

We don't have a lot of drives because they're all such long-ass drawn out field goaly affairs.

It's a bullshit stat.

The Chiefs need to score more points.
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That's why our points per drive is high, but our actual points are low.

We don't have a lot of drives because they're all such long-ass drawn out field goaly affairs.

It's a bullshit stat.

The Chiefs need to score more points.
If you have more drives like other teams but don't score any more points per avg drive you will need a ton more drives to make up for the difference.

You are still better off scoring more per drive.
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That's why our points per drive is high, but our actual points are low.

We don't have a lot of drives because they're all such long-ass drawn out field goaly affairs.

It's a bullshit stat.

The Chiefs need to score more points.
No, they aren't. We can win games with long-ass drawn out drives. In those grinding games, we've won a lot of them. The problem is when Alex Smith struggles to extend drives. For a guy who gets so much credit for being a game manager, he has way too many games where the defense bails him out and then it's passed off as game management.
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