"Alex Smith makes your defense better"

[temper11]

Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better

[mcaj22]

Alex loses in the same two scenarios

1) When a gunslinger gets the green light to just keep throwing it. No matter if the guy throws 3 picks, he's getting the ball back and if he can score 4 touchdowns in 2 minutes, Alex Smith isn't beating him. Whenever Alex gets in a gunslinger duel with a QB, we rely way to much on the defense to bail him out, and if the other team has our defenses number that week, Alex has NO chance. I can actually only think of 1 gunslinger game Alex has won himself and that was against Drew Brees when he was with the 49ers. When the Lucks, Big Bens, Flaccos of the world turn it on with their big arms, Alex usually gets smoked.

2) When a really shitty team plays Alex Smith football against Alex Smith. A crappy game manager QB with a run game and the score is 13-7 and our defense plays a good game, and all we need is Alex to get us 1 more score and he can't. He usually loses these. His play style is his own kryptonite against him. Evidence of that are last years slopfests against the Titans, Raiders and Cardinals. When you need him to get you 7 against a shit team that's controlling clock he can't do it because both teams are putting on long, slow, sloppy dink and dunk drives and he doesn't have many chances.

This is why he beats a lot of good teams that are fast paced; Chargers, Patriots, Eagles, Cowboys, etc. They put on drives with the pass/no huddle but they aren't long throws, so the clock stops if your defense generates an incomplete. Thus Alex gets the ball back so he can put on his long drive and it can balance out to a medium gameflow. But he can't hang with big armed QBs that can turn into fire at any point in the game and score in 30 seconds, and he can't beat shitty teams that take too long running the ball.

His pace is right in the middle, where the game flows nearly perfectly.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No, they aren't.

Yes they are. We were near the top of the league in time of possession.

But average in points and bottom third in yards.

Slow-ass crawly field-goaly affairs.

BUT BUT POINTS PER DRIVE HERP DERP

****ing idiots.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Yes they are. We were near the top of the league in time of possession.

But average in points and bottom third in yards.

Slow-ass crawly field-goaly affairs.

BUT BUT POINTS PER DRIVE HERP DERP

****ing idiots.

We were near the top of the league in TOP?

That's pretty amazing considering that in our 7 losses, 5 of those we lost the TOP game.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We were near the top of the league in TOP?

That's pretty amazing considering that in our 7 losses, 5 of those we lost the TOP game.

Yes, when we lose TOP we lose the game because we have zero quick strike ability on offense.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Alex loses in the same two scenarios

1) When a gunslinger gets the green light to just keep throwing it. No matter if the guy throws 3 picks, he's getting the ball back and if he can score 4 touchdowns in 2 minutes, Alex Smith isn't beating him. Whenever Alex gets in a gunslinger duel with a QB, we rely way to much on the defense to bail him out, and if the other team has our defenses number that week, Alex has NO chance. I can actually only think of 1 gunslinger game Alex has won himself and that was against Drew Brees when he was with the 49ers. When the Lucks, Big Bens, Flaccos of the world turn it on with their big arms, Alex usually gets smoked.

2) When a really shitty team plays Alex Smith football against Alex Smith. A crappy game manager QB with a run game and the score is 13-7 and our defense plays a good game, and all we need is Alex to get us 1 more score and he can't. He usually loses these. His play style is his own kryptonite against him. Evidence of that are last years slopfests against the Titans, Raiders and Cardinals. When you need him to get you 7 against a shit team that's controlling clock he can't do it because both teams are putting on long, slow, sloppy dink and dunk drives and he doesn't have many chances.

This is why he beats a lot of good teams that are fast paced; Chargers, Patriots, Eagles, Cowboys, etc. They put on drives with the pass/no huddle but they aren't long throws, so the clock stops if your defense generates an incomplete. Thus Alex gets the ball back so he can put on his long drive and it can balance out to a medium gameflow. But he can't hang with big armed QBs that can turn into fire at any point in the game and score in 30 seconds, and he can't beat shitty teams that take too long running the ball.

His pace is right in the middle, where the game flows nearly perfectly.

Yes and no. The reason why the game management approach works is it keeps good QBs off the field and messes with their rhythm.

Using the word "smoked" is wrong. Alex Smith almost never gets smoked. The team usually hangs within a touchdown. As I've said before, this approach would work fine if Alex Smith knew how to close games. He doesn't. We rarely get blown out. We have lost way too many games in the final minutes on a drive where Alex Smith could have gone for the tie or the lead.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Yes, when we lose TOP we lose the game because we have zero quick strike ability on offense.

How often does any team win when losing TOP?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Yes, when we lose TOP we lose the game because we have zero quick strike ability on offense.

I don't get your logic.

We lose TOP because there are games where Alex Smith can't get first downs. Quick strike scoring isn't going to help your TOP.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Quick strike scoring isn't going to help your TOP.

Right. But we'd win if we had quick strike scoring, because it would make TOP irrelevant.

Only way we can win is TOP and grind it out.

Martyball baby!

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yes and no. The reason why the game management approach works is it keeps good QBs off the field and messes with their rhythm.

Using the word "smoked" is wrong. Alex Smith almost never gets smoked. The team usually hangs within a touchdown. As I've said before, this approach would work fine if Alex Smith knew how to close games. He doesn't. We rarely get blown out. We have lost way too many games in the final minutes on a drive where Alex Smith could have gone for the tie or the lead.

What was that Andrew Luck did to him in the playoffs two years ago? That's the definition of smoked. Alex couldn't generate a touchdown when he needed to and Luck was slinging the football at will, no matter if it was an interception or a touchdown, he kept throwing all over and scoring quick and Alex wasn't generating anything quick enough to counter.

The gunslinger beats him more times than not, it's because Alex lacks a big arm.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

What was that Andrew Luck did to him in the playoffs two years ago? That's the definition of smoked. Alex couldn't generate a touchdown when he needed to and Luck was slinging the football at will, no matter if it was an interception or a touchdown, he kept throwing all over and scoring quick and Alex wasn't generating anything quick enough to counter.

The gunslinger beats him more times than not, it's because Alex lacks a big arm.

Defense and other players on offense played no roll n this scenario.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

What was that Andrew Luck did to him in the playoffs two years ago? That's the definition of smoked. Alex couldn't generate a touchdown when he needed to and Luck was slinging the football at will, no matter if it was an interception or a touchdown, he kept throwing all over and scoring quick and Alex wasn't generating anything quick enough to counter.

The gunslinger beats him more times than not, it's because Alex lacks a big arm.

That is an absolute load of crap and I've debunked this many times.

I'm critical as hell of Alex Smith. But Alex played an unbelievable game. If you actually look at Smith's drive charts in the second half, it isn't nearly as bad as Chiefs fans want to claim. The playcalling was atrocious, the defense was giving up scores in record time, and Bowe dropped a critical third down catch leading to a 3 and out. Even on the last throw, Smith made a good enough throw to set up a game-winning FG. Lots of games to criticize Smith for. This one aien't it.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

"I'm Alex Smith, and I hate long, sustained drives that result in touchdowns".

"Also, I will make your penis shrivel".

"Thanks".

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Yes, a happy medium is ideal.

Given the choice though, I'd rather have a guy who leans a little more gunslinger.

You mean like Jay Cutler?

No thanks.

[Chiefnj2]

People need to face up to the reality that Andy decided to model this team after the old Ravens. Great defense, good running game and a game managing QB approach.

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

Yes they are. We were near the top of the league in time of possession.

But average in points and bottom third in yards.

Slow-ass crawly field-goaly affairs.

BUT BUT POINTS PER DRIVE HERP DERP

****ing idiots.

I'm a little confused. KC was 16th in points, and 13th in points per drive. It makes it look a little better, but you're acting like they're at the top of the league in a made-up stat.