Chiefs Houston Signs - Page 32

Mr_Tomahawk · 07-15-2015, 09:59 AM

KC's Justin Houston signed a 6-year, $101M deal that includes $52.5M GTD, richest Chiefs' deal in history, richest LB deal in NFL history.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 15, 2015

Chiefs LB Justin Houston's new 6-year, $101 million deal also is second richest deal in NFL history behind only NdamukongSuh's.

— Adam Schefter(@AdamSchefter) July 15, 2015

MagicHef · 07-16-2015, 04:33 PM

Honestly, I think there's a perception issue with Houston, and I think that it's affecting how AFCW fans (including me) see him vs. how he's seen league-wide.

-Against Denver, he has 4.5 sacks in 7 games (0.64 sacks per game), and 1 sack in the last 4 games.

-Against Oakland, he has 3 sacks in 7 games (0.43 sacks per game).

-Against San Diego, he has 5 sacks in 7 games (0.71 sacks per game), but before his very last game, he had 1 in 6 games (0.17 sacks per game).

So against AFCW opponents, he's had 12.5 sacks in 21 games. Before the last game of the season, he had 8.5 sacks in 20 AFCW games (0.43 sacks per game). Against the rest of the league, he's had 36 sacks in 38 games (0.95 sacks per game). His pass rushing is way more effective against teams outside the AFCW.

BlackOp · 07-16-2015, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Prisco is saying what we've been telling you guys for months... Houston gets most of his sacks in bunches against bad tackles. Von is not allowed to go one on one against bad tackles, teams double him constantly. Houston is a good player but he isn't the elite, cream of the crop talent that Von is.

If you rely on Prisco to validate a terrible opinion...He posted a 2014 top 100 list that other beat-writers/analysts laughed at...he was openly ridiculed for being an idiot. It was amazingly horrible. I guess it makes sense that you like him...he is unashamed about his hatred of the Chiefs and made sure he listed Von one spot above Houston. The guy is seriously a petty douche...that only gets mentioned because of this trait...instead of his writing.

Mother****erJones · 07-16-2015, 04:43 PM

Prisco is borderline reeruned.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 07-16-2015, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

And for anyone thinking we will keep Sean Smith next season..

Joel Corry ‏@corryjoel
Chiefs have $8.63M of salary cap room after Justin Houston's deal. There should be right around $27.5M of '16 cap space (assumes $150M cap).

Writing is on the wall. We will pay him just under $12 million if we franchise him.

I think we will be more proactive and keep that money for DJ, Howard, Abdullah, Tamba if he's still productive and hopefully one of Allen/Stephenson if they play well this year.

Gooooooood......

ThaVirus · 07-16-2015, 04:50 PM

Franchise tag would be just under $11 mil for Sean Smith? It'll depend on how this season goes, and our money situation, but I'd think long and hard about that. IIRC, he's already scheduled to make $8 mil this year.

ThaVirus · 07-16-2015, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Honestly, I think there's a perception issue with Houston, and I think that it's affecting how AFCW fans (including me) see him vs. how he's seen league-wide.

-Against Denver, he has 4.5 sacks in 7 games (0.64 sacks per game), and 1 sack in the last 4 games.

-Against Oakland, he has 3 sacks in 7 games (0.43 sacks per game).

-Against San Diego, he has 5 sacks in 7 games (0.71 sacks per game), but before his very last game, he had 1 in 6 games (0.17 sacks per game).

So against AFCW opponents, he's had 12.5 sacks in 21 games. Before the last game of the season, he had 8.5 sacks in 20 AFCW games (0.43 sacks per game). Against the rest of the league, he's had 36 sacks in 38 games (0.95 sacks per game). His pass rushing is way more effective against teams outside the AFCW.

You only play 6 divisional games a season. Seems like a favorable statistic for us.

I'd like to see the stats on that for the past two season with hurries included. People love to look at sacks but hurries are an important factor as well.

Red Beans · 07-16-2015, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Prisco is borderline reeruned.

Don't insult the mentally handicapped.

DJ's left nut · 07-16-2015, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef

Honestly, I think there's a perception issue with Houston, and I think that it's affecting how AFCW fans (including me) see him vs. how he's seen league-wide.

-Against Denver, he has 4.5 sacks in 7 games (0.64 sacks per game), and 1 sack in the last 4 games.

-Against Oakland, he has 3 sacks in 7 games (0.43 sacks per game).

-Against San Diego, he has 5 sacks in 7 games (0.71 sacks per game), but before his very last game, he had 1 in 6 games (0.17 sacks per game).

So against AFCW opponents, he's had 12.5 sacks in 21 games. Before the last game of the season, he had 8.5 sacks in 20 AFCW games (0.43 sacks per game). Against the rest of the league, he's had 36 sacks in 38 games (0.95 sacks per game). His pass rushing is way more effective against teams outside the AFCW.

I said in some random thread around here that Houston and Hali need to get their shit together against Denver, no question.

I feel like the Broncos tackles (with Manning's help) have been able to pretty much handle both Houston and Hali in one on one matchups and if you can do that against KC, you pretty much have us by the balls.

I think the team in general has largely played like monkeys ****ing a football against Denver and I think Manning is in their heads; it's not just Houston and Hali. If they hope to take the division from him this year, they have to play their A games against that squad and to this point they just haven't done it.

I will be sorely disappointed with Justin Houston if he goes out there and gets fed his lunch by the Broncos again this year. The Chiefs have a chance to do big things this year but it has to start with our best players playing their best games in our biggest matchups. It may not even show up on the stat sheet, but you can see it as the game unfolds. Houston and Hali have not risen to the occasion for certain and if I'm a Broncos fan, that's probably something that diminish Houston substantially in my eyes.

It's probably similar to how Chiefs fans viewed Champ Bailey. Eddie Kennison didn't always destroy Champ, but he did a couple of times and it sure made Champ seem mortal to us. Against the rest of the league he was probably a huge difference maker but I know I never worried about the fact that the Broncos had Bailey on their squad and it was almost certainly because of the number that Kennison put on him a time or two.

**RealSNR** · 07-16-2015, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

So you're saying that Justin Houston is better than Reggie White?

They played different positions, asswipe.

You may as well ask us if we think Dontari Poe is better than Deion Sanders.

milkman · 07-16-2015, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Dude, YOU'RE the one that doesn't understand English.

Sorry, asshole. This time YOU'RE the dumbass. You've been the dumbass on this topic all offseason.

And I see it's still not registering.

Tell me this.

Can you say with certainty that Eric Kush is not a major downgrade from Hudson?

Can you say with any certainty that Allen is going to step up and play at a level better than Fulton?
Or that Fanaika will?
Or that Fulton will suddenly develop an athletic ability that he clearly didn't have last year?

Can you say with certainty that the good Donald Stephenson will show up at RT?
Or that Allen steps up there?

Is there any single player auditioning for any spots from center to RT that is a clear and certain upgrade?

Chiefs Pantalones · 07-16-2015, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You only play 6 divisional games a season. Seems like a favorable statistic for us.

I'd like to see the stats on that for the past two season with hurries included. People love to look at sacks but hurries are an important factor as well.

Justin Houston led the league in QB pressures last year, with J.J. Watt coming in second.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 07-16-2015, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle

There had better be a player they want really damn badly to not max out the cap hit this year and shave some of that money off later. That's a ****ton of money from 2016 and onwards for 1 player. Worth it, but still.

Carry that cap into next year. Relax. They're covered either way.

aturnis · 07-16-2015, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise

Dumping Smith for those players is not a wise move and I think Smith is overrated. But maybe if Peters blooms...

Based on last year alone, he was a shutdown corner. That doesn't mean he always has been or always will be, but he absolutely was, and it was obvious by game 5-6 he was killing it.

**RealSNR** · 07-16-2015, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Tell me this.

Can you say with certainty that Eric Kush is not a major downgrade from Hudson?

Can you say with any certainty that Allen is going to step up and play at a level better than Fulton?
Or that Fanaika will?
Or that Fulton will suddenly develop an athletic ability that he clearly didn't have last year?

Can you say with certainty that the good Donald Stephenson will show up at RT?
Or that Allen steps up there?

Is there any single player auditioning for any spots from center to RT that is a clear and certain upgrade?

There's zero downgrade to either spot, and nothing is clear and certain. EVER. Justin Houston might play like shit. Alex Smith might throw for 5000 yards. But I'm pretty certain that we at the very least will see very slight improvements to both positions this season

Could it get worse than Zach Fulton? No, it can't. That's impossible. Because Zach Fulton is still around to be Zach Fulton if all of the candidates are worse than he is. And that's not very likely to happen. Anybody with an ounce of common sense would say that barring injury, the RG position has at least around a 90% chance or greater of giving us AT THE VERY LEAST a slight upgrade.

Could it get worse than Ryan Harris? The only reason why more people didn't bitch that guy out is because just two years ago Eric Fisher had the infamous distinction of being the worst ****ing ever RT the Chiefs have ever thrown out for a season. Oh, and Mike McGlynn happened to be playing on the same line. So no, Donald Stephenson or Jeff Allen can not be worse than Ryan Harris. Are they upgrades? Very very likely.

Overwhelming odds to have at the very least slight improvement at both positions on the right side. Massive upgrade at LG. Downgrade at C.

One position is NOT going to kill this OL and make it worse. That is ****ing silly. If it's worse than last year it's because we have a nasty injury at one of the tackle spots or to Ben Grubbs.

aturnis · 07-16-2015, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Prisco is saying what we've been telling you guys for months... Houston gets most of his sacks in bunches against bad tackles. Von is not allowed to go one on one against bad tackles, teams double him constantly. Houston is a good player but he isn't the elite, cream of the crop talent that Von is.

False. Houston had sacks in all but 3 games. BUF, SEA, DEN. So, false.

Von IS most certainly allowed to go 1 on 1 with bad tackles. Eric Fisher shut him down late his rookie season. Alone. So again, false.

07-15-2015, 09:59 AM
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $-59474	Houston Signs KC's Justin Houston signed a 6-year, $101M deal that includes $52.5M GTD, richest Chiefs' deal in history, richest LB deal in NFL history. — Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 15, 2015 Chiefs LB Justin Houston's new 6-year, $101 million deal also is second richest deal in NFL history behind only NdamukongSuh's. — Adam Schefter(@AdamSchefter) July 15, 2015
Posts: 18,619

07-16-2015, 04:33 PM	#466
MagicHef The Seated Villain Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle Casino cash: $550247	Honestly, I think there's a perception issue with Houston, and I think that it's affecting how AFCW fans (including me) see him vs. how he's seen league-wide. -Against Denver, he has 4.5 sacks in 7 games (0.64 sacks per game), and 1 sack in the last 4 games. -Against Oakland, he has 3 sacks in 7 games (0.43 sacks per game). -Against San Diego, he has 5 sacks in 7 games (0.71 sacks per game), but before his very last game, he had 1 in 6 games (0.17 sacks per game). So against AFCW opponents, he's had 12.5 sacks in 21 games. Before the last game of the season, he had 8.5 sacks in 20 AFCW games (0.43 sacks per game). Against the rest of the league, he's had 36 sacks in 38 games (0.95 sacks per game). His pass rushing is way more effective against teams outside the AFCW. __________________ With a sack in 61% of his games, SB MVP Von Miller is the most consistent pass rusher in NFL history.
Posts: 10,753

07-16-2015, 04:50 PM	#470
ThaVirus 5 o’clock free crack giveaway Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $-1697631	Houston Signs Franchise tag would be just under $11 mil for Sean Smith? It'll depend on how this season goes, and our money situation, but I'd think long and hard about that. IIRC, he's already scheduled to make $8 mil this year.
Posts: 46,983