"Alex Smith makes your defense better"

[ViperVisor]

Almost no case to make = Changing the subject

Please support the case the OL being not very bad or it being bad is somehow Alex Smith's fault.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Almost no case to make = Changing the subject

Please support the case the OL being not very bad or it being bad is somehow Alex Smith's fault.

Smith doesn't stretch the field. That allows the defense to load up short.
SMith doesn't take chances. That means passing up on quick throws because he doesn't want to take a chance
Smith's pocket awareness is so-so. He will often scramble out instead of sliding in the pocket
Smith too often misses the hot read

Sure, Smith's speed gives him more wiggle room to dance out of trouble. But there are definitely ways he can make his OL better. Again, the biggest improvement at the end of 2013 in the OL wasn't talent. It was Smith being the most aggressive we've seen him for much of his career.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Smith doesn't stretch the field. That allows the defense to load up short.
SMith doesn't take chances. That means passing up on quick throws because he doesn't want to take a chance
Smith's pocket awareness is so-so. He will often scramble out instead of sliding in the pocket
Smith too often misses the hot read

Sure, Smith's speed gives him more wiggle room to dance out of trouble. But there are definitely ways he can make his OL better. Again, the biggest improvement at the end of 2013 in the OL wasn't talent. It was Smith being the most aggressive we've seen him for much of his career.

The defense slipping up vs harder teams changed how play-calling went.

The sacks racking up is by and large on the O-Line. They sucked in preseason it was obvious. The offense had to be compressed or it was likely to implode and get Smith killed in the process.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

The defense slipping up vs harder teams changed how play-calling went.

The sacks racking up is by and large on the O-Line. They sucked in preseason it was obvious. The offense had to be compressed or it was likely to implode and get Smith killed in the process.

Jfc. The playcalling didn't change. Alex Smith did. At the end of 2013, he was opening up the passing game, wasn't afraid to throw into tight spots. The rest of his chiefs career he was the king of check downs.

And your damn excuses for the ol... Yes, they sucked, but it doesn't explain how Alex Smith imploded at the end of 2014. It was the same ol that protected him during the middle of the season. Most notably, smith went from effective on third downs to downright terrible. I've never seen a bigger apologist for a player than you with Alex Smith.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And your damn excuses for the ol... Yes, they sucked, but

There is no but....

The OL sucked, and considering the remarkably high number of 3 step drops, that just makes their level of suck all the more wretched.

PFF has them at 8th worst in pass pro.. and Outsiders has them at 5th worst.

We can sit here and dicker about specific rank. Either way, it comes back to the acceptance that they were a pile of shit, bottom tier OL.

Now can good/great QBs overcome this and excel anyway? I'd say some can, if they have excellent WRs to throw to. Did we? shit no.

So how many good/great QBs overcome a trash OL and trash WRs?

This has only been answered with 1 name... 1 name the haters have legitimately come up with.. Russell Wilson.

Now RW is a pretty good QB, but aside from his extra ability to evade and scramble, he basically is a more aggressive Alex Smith. Both guys can run, but RW has more Vick-like evasion. They are in the same ballpark as QBs though. People can deny it all they want, but both are high on the 2nd tier of QBs right now.

RW3 - last 56 games.. regular and postseason

917 comp - 1454 att - 63% acc - 84 TDs - 32 INTs - 18 fumbles - 98.3 rating


AS11 - last 56 games.. regular and postseason

1032 comp - 1675 att - 61.6% acc - 78 TDs - 22 INTs - 18 fumbles - 102.5 rating

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

There is no but....

The OL sucked, and considering the remarkably high number of 3 step drops, that just makes their level of suck all the more wretched.

PFF has them at 8th worst in pass pro.. and Outsiders has them at 5th worst.

We can sit here and dicker about specific rank. Either way, it comes back to the acceptance that they were a pile of shit, bottom tier OL.

Now can good/great QBs overcome this and excel anyway? I'd say some can, if they have excellent WRs to throw to. Did we? shit no.

So how many good/great QBs overcome a trash OL and trash WRs?

This has only been answered with 1 name... 1 name the haters have legitimately come up with.. Russell Wilson.

Now RW is a pretty good QB, but aside from his extra ability to evade and scramble, he basically is a more aggressive Alex Smith. Both guys can run, but RW has more Vick-like evasion. They are in the same ballpark as QBs though. People can deny it all they want, but both are high on the 2nd tier of QBs right now.

Is this a serious comment. Aaron Rodgers won a Super Bowl with pretty much his entire offense missing. Peyton Mannings final years with the Colts he played with an atrocious ol... He also played mvp football in Denver two years ago with pretty much his entire ol injured. Brees several years ago did it with a banged up ol and wr injuries that forced terrence copper to be their #2. Brady made the afcg with Gaffney and reche Caldwell as his #1 and #2. Big Ben has won many games with a trash ol.

Again, it does not excuse bad play. But stop with the bullshit that because the supporting cast didn't do their job that absolves Smith from all blame. There are plenty of things he can do to elevate the play of his teammates that he does very inconsistently.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Is this a serious comment. Aaron Rodgers won a Super Bowl with pretty much his entire offense missing. Peyton Mannings final years with the Colts he played with an atrocious ol... He also played mvp football in Denver two years ago with pretty much his entire ol injured. Brees several years ago did it with a banged up ol and wr injuries that forced terrence copper to be their #2. Brady made the afcg with Gaffney and reche Caldwell as his #1 and #2. Big Ben has won many games with a trash ol.

Again, it does not excuse bad play. But stop with the bullshit that because the supporting cast didn't do their job that absolves Smith from all blame. There are plenty of things he can do to elevate the play of his teammates that he does very inconsistently.

.. and you still can't read, it seems. Rodgers had consistent scheme and excellent WRs on his side. Manning has excellent weapons also. Big Ben has had some very good weapons at his disposal as well. Most if not all the QBs you mention are regarded as elite QBs.. being compared to Alex, who no one claims is elite.

As for Brees, he holds the same record as Alex as of late.. 10-12. Why is Brees not overcoming his team deficiencies? Where are the SB rings for these guys lately?

You guys can think what you want of the "49ers" fans here.. you can slurp up whatever random crap guys like Sorter throw out there, but you still can not reasonably debate what it is that I am stating.

You can't seem to grasp the simple conclusion that good/great QBs can overcome a deficient OL or WR group alone... but not combined... and yet you expect Alex to? That's just going full potato.

[Sorter]

For the love of R'hllor, please stop posting shit that is either made up or untrue. It is extremely irritating that I have to go through point by point but c'est la vie.

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Earth to suckup!

I posted info and the guy you defend responds with nothing + an insult.

He is trying to claim the O-Line wasn't bottom 5. THAT speaks volumes about football acumen.

It's part of the reerunation that has infested this place that everything somehow has to be about Alex Smith isn't a top 10 QB.

I didn't claim that the Chiefs' OL was "bottom 5" because guess what dumbass, I don't have an arbitrary grading system made up by people who don't have any idea how protections, progressions, hots, and sight adjusts work. Those are all things that a QB could be responsible for in correctly utilizing during/before a play and the failure to do so could result in unfairly blamed OL play.

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

So if someone posts something utterly without value or flat out stupid pat them on the head and say you gave it try, you'll do a good one next time?

You are either a liar or an idiot if you don't admit the O-Line pass blocking really sucked.

Don't do the BS context about 'but Alex Smith X Y Z' It's been hashed out before and those counter-points do not hold up.

I have never said that the OL was not bad at their job (generally speaking) last season. I have said that your .img was not a valid way of measuring their ineffective play because it doesn't take into account variables/factors that can affect their performance. It's ****ing disingenuous and incredibly ignorant to simply apply blame without knowledge, which is exactly what you do in an attempt to prop up your false god Alex Smith.

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Numbers have value. His words are hollow.
You don't like the link or context. Because mostly of a preconceived bias.

You still couldn't provide an answer as to who's conducting the "grading" and how he/she arrives at his/her conclusion. I don't like to rip on Direckshun but for ****'s sake, your beloved Pro Football Focus offered him a job conducting your "grading". A guy that literally didn't understand what the **** a "power" run was and thought that the guard ****ed up by pulling. Tell me, when you have people like that "grading" plays, do you think it might not be truly accurate?

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Almost no case to make = Changing the subject

Please support the case the OL being not very bad or it being bad is somehow Alex Smith's fault.

There are numerous ways that an offensive line ****up could be attributed to the QB. These vary by team (as some teams give certain responsibilities to the Center/QB/other OL players).

For example, (and once again, this is an example) let's use 74/75 protection for the Patriots. It's a 5-man protection out of empty (which the Chiefs do use).



Notice here how it states "The QB may make a RITA/LINDA call to adjust the protection for the Mike/Sam/SSF or Will. It also states that there is a sight adjust (weak) and hot (strong) built in. If the QB fails to make the correct adjustment and the protection is inadequately blocked, your infallible PFF would blame the OL and absolve all of the blame that he should receive.





Notice how there are other calls, such as "Tally". In some systems, the QB is responsible for making that call. In others, he isn't. See how this could be an issue in attempting to assert where blame should lie?




Finally, we get to the sight adjusts and hots. Now, it's the responsibility of the WRs to understand what they're seeing pre-snap to know if they are going to alter their called route and run either the SA/Hot. Those guys can and do **** up. Which in turn could result in the QB holding the ball and getting sacked, making the wrong progression, or simply throwing the ball to a space that isn't occupied by the receiver. Guess what you ****ing ignoramus, PFF doesn't take any of that into account. I wonder who'll likely be blamed for that ****up?

In some systems however, the QB is also responsible for making sure that no matter what, those ****ing idiots know that they are indeed going to be running their SA/Hot. Hint, sometimes you'll hear a QB during an actual ****ing game yell "Alert". Crazy, I know.

Your PFF has no idea what the built in hots/SAs are, what the protection rules/adjustments/responsibilities are, and simply assigns blame because "Hey, that guy didn't block that guy". The fact you parrot their "grades" like they mean a ****ing thing is hilarious.